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2014/01/15 16:53:35
fooman
Hey guys!
I recently started to become more coherent of phase issues and focusing moreso on phase relations of multi-miced instruments I record on a regular basis.  What really brought this on was bringing up a few mixes by guys like CLA and whatnot and seeing that their phase-correlation is almost always 100% +1.  I am always in the + side, but I'm trying to learn how to get my mixes to be THAT in phase!  Seems impossible with so much going on at once!
 
I bought the UAD IBP, but I don't find that it really works much better than the simple phase-reverse button Sonar (thankfully) offers us.
 
I came across the Waves InPhase plugin and see that it has a LOT to offer when it comes to phase-relationships.
 
Does anyone here have experiences they can share with this?  Is it worth the time to learn it?  What do you use it on most-often?
2014/01/15 16:57:27
Sanderxpander
I haven't used it but it's on sale this month so I was also thinking of it. Interested in opinions.
2014/01/15 17:45:26
brconflict
Same here. I know you can obviously slip your clips to be more Phase-aligned, but having a tool that can allow you to adjust phase while listening would be worth a few $. I may grab one (we'll see).
2014/01/15 17:48:25
Jimbo21
I wonder if it's any better than the Voxengo phase align plug?
2014/01/15 23:39:27
bitflipper
Jimbo21
I wonder if it's any better than the Voxengo phase align plug?



 It costs more, so it must be better! And it must be a WHOLE lot better than the Sonitus Phase or Channel Tools plugins, 'cause those cost nothing at all.
2014/01/16 00:08:22
fooman
I get ur point sir, but for real this is why I'm asking haha
 
I'd rather not spend $100 if the gains are pointless, but as I said I own the SPL IBP, and I find it barely ever helps moreso than a simple phase flip.   Also, Channel Tools has phase manipulation?  I've never even thought of using it for that :/
 
But the vids Waves did are pretty impressive with the product.
2014/01/16 01:02:04
John
Having total ignorance about Waves I can still say they are excellent at marketing. They are the "Apple" of plugins. 
2014/01/16 09:07:37
fooman
High quality, no $1k dongle, and insane sales all the time.  Finding it harder and harder to spend my UAD vouchers.  Anywho, we digress.
2014/01/16 10:07:31
bitflipper
Actually, it's not a digression. It's relevant to the discussion. Of course you don't want to spend $100 unnecessarily, but Waves is going to do everything they can to convince you otherwise.
 
They are indeed very good at marketing.  The Apple analogy's not wrong, but I'd call them the Monster Cable of plugins: product quality is generally good, but there are plenty of less-expensive but functionally equivalent alternatives.
 
And although Waves has done away with the iLok requirement, they still employ an obtuse and fragile copy-protection scheme that's prone to failure. 
 
None of this negates your initial concern about the importance of phase alignment. Any time two or more microphones are picking up the same instrument, taking phase into account is essential to capturing a full sound. But there's more than one way to accomplish that.
 
Think about it: how did Andy Johns pull off some of the greatest rock 'n roll drum recordings of all time - without digital signal processing?
2014/01/16 10:30:21
John
Dave I knew you would get the meaning of my pronouncement  Monster Cable indeed. Much better, except Apple is more insidious. 
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