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2013/12/31 20:18:11
JimmyBoy
Hi All,
 
I've been ripping hair out over this, does anyone have any step by step guide on how to setup a Midi track to trigger Instrument track?
 
Let say for example I import a midi file into new project, (midi bass, and drum track) then setup Cakewalk TTS audio track to play each of the midi tracks - I want to do the same or similar with a Virtual Instrument, lets say setup the Cakewalk SI Bass Guitar, then select the Bass Guitar options in SI Bass Guitar and have the midi track trigger - I've tried so many different ways and still can't get this to work - or am I misunderstanding what virtual instruments are all about, will they only work using something like a synth keyboard?
 
Thanks in advance.
Jim
2013/12/31 20:44:12
John
Don't use instrument tracks simply use a MIDI track or tracks to trigger a synth you have put in the synth rack. You do this from the Browser with the tab synths. Once a synth is loaded simply out the output of the MIDI track to that synth via the output at the bottom of the track inspector. 
 
Nothing could be simpler. With an instrument track MIDI and audio are combined. 
2013/12/31 20:55:39
slartabartfast
Pages 130-131 of the Sonar X3 Reference Guide under the heading:
What if I already have a project that contains MIDI tracks?
 
If that procedure does not work, it may be a problem with the file import, or with the imported midi notes being out of range or specifying a bank or patch that your synth cannot respond to etc. To test that write your own short midi track in the piano roll view and see if you can get that one to play.
2014/01/01 05:31:42
JimmyBoy
Thanks, though when I select an instrument from Cakewalk TTS synth, for example I have the bass midi output to channel 2 in TTS synth and it is by default set to "Fingered Bs." If I click on that TTS synth track 2 and right click and select and change it to "Preset/Bass/Attack Bass", its selected however when I then click PLAY it reverts back to "Fingered Bs." option...
 
What the! What gives here?
 
Why does it revert back to "Fingered Bs."?
 
Do I need to set something in the Options in TTS so it is set permanently for this project?
 
Kind regards
Jim
2014/01/01 06:15:19
Stone House Studios
Jim,
If this is a midi file that you downloaded, it may have patch data in it, so it essentially re-assigns that patch when you push play - probably a GM soundset. I don't remember how to delete this, other than trying to save as a cakewalk project, not a midi file, and then make your changes and save.  You could also try moving only the note and controller data to a new track.
 
Brian
2014/01/01 06:24:41
Jay Tee 4303
Until you look at a MIDI event list, you may never realize how many different MIDI events there are besides note on and note off messages.
 
There are other possible issues that may lead to rhe first pist in this thread, but I think now you are up against Patch Change or Control messages that don't show in the Track View or the Piano Roll.
2014/01/01 07:26:08
JimmyBoy
Ok I think I've got it now with CW TTS... I even have midi track triggering programs in Z3TA+2...  Although some of the programs in Z3TA+2 will not work while others do.  I haven't gone back yet to test "SI Bass Guitar" VST yet to see if any of the Bass programs work with the midi track - I think this is what is tripping me up.
2014/01/01 09:34:42
chuckebaby
this will show you the 3 primary ways midi is used in sonar
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juIu9Rlt6v8
2014/01/09 05:34:35
JimmyBoy
Jay Tee 4303
Until you look at a MIDI event list, you may never realize how many different MIDI events there are besides note on and note off messages.
 
There are other possible issues that may lead to rhe first pist in this thread, but I think now you are up against Patch Change or Control messages that don't show in the Track View or the Piano Roll.




Thanks Jay Tee, I had a look at the midi event list in the midi track and see a whole heap going on in it - thanks for the pointer...
 

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2014/01/09 09:32:35
John
All you have to do is delete those patch changes with the delete key.
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