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  • Can anyone confirm whether this is a bug in X3c?
2013/11/19 05:04:17
PJH
I'm editing a drum track and am having to timestretch certain clips. If I set my "snap" settings to "clips" only so that I can join the clips together accurately the snap works perfectly. The problem comes when I have to scroll further down the page to reach the rest of the drum tracks.
 
As soon as I scroll down, the snap doesn't work anymore. It seems to lose it's snap setting.
 
If I try to fill my screen with all of the drum tracks then the snap works perfectly. It seems to stop working as soon as I have to scroll.
 
If anyone else can try this it would be appreciated.
 
Cheers,
 
Peter.
2013/11/19 09:04:32
neirbod
I can't speak to the exact situation, but I have had intermittent trouble in X3c with snapping to clips.  I will try the workflow you describe and see if I can recreate the problem.
2013/11/19 09:26:58
PJH
neirbod
I can't speak to the exact situation, but I have had intermittent trouble in X3c with snapping to clips.  I will try the workflow you describe and see if I can recreate the problem.




Thanks Neirbod,
 
It would be appreciated.
 
Cheers,
 
Peter.
2013/11/19 09:48:38
Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk]
By scrolling do you mean using your mouse wheel to zoom in? I'm not sure I understand the recipe to try and reproduce.
2013/11/19 10:08:54
gswitz
The smart tool changes snap based on what has the focus.
 
You can easily set focus using the mouse by holding shift and clicking on things... like envelopes or the clip itself.
 
This matters for snapping and for hover tools like slip editing clips or changing clip fades. You can't see the hover tools for the clip if the volume envelope has the focus, but if you shift click on the clip, setting focus on the clip, it will then work.
 
Does this help?
2013/11/19 10:55:35
PJH
OK, I'll try to be more specific.
 
I do a lot of drum track editing. Sometimes up to 12 tracks of drums. There are many occasions where I have to cut up tracks and move drum hits into time and then time stretch the "gaps" to close the "holes" in the track. I then have to do the same to all of the tracks.
 
These 12 tracks are not always visible on my screen as I'm slightly zoomed in. I'll set my snap to "snap to clips" and start time stretching one drum track at a time. eq Kick, Snare, Hi Hat, Tom1. Now in order for me to stretch the rest of the tracks (Tom 2, Tom 3, Tom 4 etc) I have to scroll down so that the rest of these drum tracks are visible.
 
As soon as I do that (scroll down so that I can see the rest of my tracks), the snap function no longer works.
 
I then have to undo the stretched clips, zoom out completely so that all the drum tracks are visible on the screen and redo all the time stretching again. As long as I don't scroll the snap works.
 
I really hope I'm making sense here.
 
If not I'll make a few pics to try and make it clearer.
 
Thanks guys,
 
Peter.
2013/11/19 11:18:29
brundlefly
I think the issue is that you can't snap to landmarks of objects that are not currently visible (because they've been hidden or scrolled out of view), and I would guess that's working as designed because it could be potentially confusing and/or problematic if the objects snapped to landmarks that a user was not aware of because they're not visible. But I can also see where that functionality might be needed in a big project.
 
Found it; page 371 of the Ref. Guide:
 
"SONAR will snap to landmarks on tracks/lanes that are currently visible in the Clips pane."
2013/11/19 11:38:42
PJH
Hi guys,
 
I've made a few pics to try and demonstrate what my problem is. In Pic 1 the "snap" function works perfectly.

 
In Pic 2 after moving the screen down to reveal the remaining clips the snap function stops working.

 
I'd like to add that this function has worked for me in 8.5, X1 and X2.
 
I hope this make things a bit clearer.
 
Cheers,
 
Peter.
 
 
2013/11/19 11:39:02
Bristol_Jonesey
There are many occasions where I have to cut up tracks and move drum hits into time and then time stretch the "gaps" to close the "holes" in the track

 
Are you completely sure this is absolutely necessary?
 
Can you not simply move the individual drum hits to where they should" be and just move on to the next phrase?
 
I assume you're talking about audio tracks here, not Midi yes?
2013/11/19 11:50:38
PJH
Bristol_Jonesey
There are many occasions where I have to cut up tracks and move drum hits into time and then time stretch the "gaps" to close the "holes" in the track

 
Are you completely sure this is absolutely necessary?
 
Can you not simply move the individual drum hits to where they should" be and just move on to the next phrase?
 
I assume you're talking about audio tracks here, not Midi yes?


Yes, It's audio.
 
If you cut a clip and move a drum hit it will leave a "hole" in the audio and you will have a gap where there will be no audio. If you have a cymbal crash thats decaying over the hole you will have a gap in the audio.
 
Thats why you have to time stretch the audio to close the gap and not have any breaks in the audio tracks.
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