When it worked, then the VRM Box was seen under sound, video, and game controllers.
I did try a complete uninstall, and reinstall --- problem there was it said "a newer version of the driver exists" so then, presumably, went on to use that (which gave me the problem) ... if I could somehow use the older driver then perhaps things would be OK - anyone any idea what the driver name would be so I could try and locate the newest version and delete it?