Keni
 
All the new attempts at guessing choices (Smart Grid and Comping Mode come to mind) might be good for some people, but not all and for many of us get in the way... Luckily we can chose to not use them as has usually been the approach of The Bakers, but not so with Lanes...

 
Exactly. If it wasn't possible to disable Smart Grid, I'd be mad.
 

Keni
 
Not to derail the thread from the OP's matters.... I apologize if I did, but I see all of the matters presented as of the many bugs still apparent in Lanes without nitpicking the details...

 
No need to apologize. I can understand your points very well.

For X3E I would like to see this sorted (takelanes made optimal and not half baked), a total review about that long term MIDI implementation issue (whether there is an issue or not), and the ability to stop auto detecting midi channels (when MIDI device get switched off and on Sonar seems to love changing all the tracks MIDI channels settings for me, but that's another post). Then we can start talking about X4.
 
Anyway digression sorry - Take lanes....

Jlien X,
 
Alex was definitely playing on the pun for Base Version vs Bass Version which is pronounced the same way. That's why he teased about a vocal version. Alex didn't mistake it... he was being funny.

Yup me and Nigel joined at birth ;)

gswitz
Jlien X,
 
Alex was definitely playing on the pun for Base Version vs Bass Version which is pronounced the same way. That's why he teased about a vocal version. Alex didn't mistake it... he was being funny.

 
I thought about the possibility a little. Thanks for clarifying it. \/

CakeAlexS
Yup me and Nigel joined at birth ;)

JlienX,
Alex is referring to a character in the movie Spinal Tap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_Spinal_Tap
I believe his forum image may also be Nigel from Spinal Tap.
 
If you haven't seen this movie, it's an amusing thing to watch.
 
I use the comping features in Cakewalk and I don't have a problem with them (despite the goofy behavior you have pointed out). I'm able to record audio and midi and to quickly build composite tracks from those takes.
 
I'm not trying to say your complaints aren't valid or anything -- more that even as true, none of it bothers me. For me the worst thing described in this thread is that in cases where you have create-new-lanes-on-overlap disabled the order of the clips when split into lanes isn't predictable. For me, this isn't much of a hindrance.
 
Best,

G

gswitz

CakeAlexS
Yup me and Nigel joined at birth ;)

JlienX,
Alex is referring to a character in the movie Spinal Tap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_Spinal_Tap
I believe his forum image may also be Nigel from Spinal Tap.
 
If you haven't seen this movie, it's an amusing thing to watch.
 
I use the comping features in Cakewalk and I don't have a problem with them (despite the goofy behavior you have pointed out). I'm able to record audio and midi and to quickly build composite tracks from those takes.
 
I'm not trying to say your complaints aren't valid or anything -- more that even as true, none of it bothers me. For me the worst thing described in this thread is that in cases where you have create-new-lanes-on-overlap disabled the order of the clips when split into lanes isn't predictable. For me, this isn't much of a hindrance.
 
Best,

G

 
My posts aren't actually complaints and that's why I didn't ask for immediate improvements, but I'm sorry they sounded like complaints. Since the new audio comping feature seems to be appreciated by many users (I mean, I rarely do audio comping so I can't know how good it is in X3), I don't think Take Lanes need major improvements until X4 (but I do wish CW could make muted MIDI events disappear from the main track when the lanes are collapsed). Since we all a have different workflow, it's natural that we have different opinions on the same feature, but if the majority of users are happy with it, then it means it's a success. Personally, Take Lanes are somewhat inconvenient for my workflow. For example, imagine you have two great ideas for a synth lead part, and you decide you want to go with the first idea but want to keep the second idea somewhere. Where would you keep it? The best place to put it for me would be in another lane, rather than another track that I have to create and hide with a screenset. And, if you keep the second idea in the lane of the same track, you'd expect to see just two lanes when you click the Expand/Collapse Take Lanes button. But, the chances are you see several lanes, each partly filled with clips, that were automatically created during the coarse of recording many (overlapping) takes in the main track. And, as my screenshots proved, the clips go into different lanes at random when you bounce them down. That's why I've decided not to expand the lanes, but as I said, I want to use lanes as a place to keep alternative ideas, so I need to expand them.
 
As for the movie, thanks for explaining. I know it's a very famous one, and I'm ashamed to say I've never watched it. I'll look for it and watch it when I have time. Thanks. 
 

I haven't actually tried, but wouldn't it make sense to use the "flatten comp" option to consolidate the idea before recording a new one? Alternatively, how about using track folders for different ideas played by the same synth?

So here is my test case, please tell me where am I going wrong? - Thanks!
 
STEPS
Start up Sonar project
Store takes in single track is on.
Create new lanes on overlap is on.
Loop record a midi synth such as Z3Ta +2 so you end up with 3 take lanes. Loop several times (say four times) play various notes in random sequences.
Expand take lanes
Mute all take lanes by hitting each mute button for each track
Now playback.
Unmute T3 and observe it plays back, now mute it.
Unmute T2 and observe it plays back, now mute it.
Unmute T2 and observe it plays back, now mute it.
Unmute T1 and observe it plays back, now mute it.
 
EXPECTED
 
You can hear a take lane as you unmute it.
 
ACTUAL

Some take lanes you won't hear anything in some sections if you press the mute button to unmute. On further inspection you will observe that the clips that you can't hear have actually been overwritten with other clips and the region muted. Why?
 
ALSO
I've followed the same procedure with "store take lanes as separate tracks" setting. This displays all take lanes as separate without clips being recorded on top of each other, however some clips will not be heard when following the same process above (i.e. unmuting by clicking the mute button).

CakeAlexS
So here is my test case, please tell me where am I going wrong? - Thanks!

 
I don't know if this is the result you commented in the ACTUAL section, but... 
 

 
I simply recorded three takes with loop enabled and never stopped recording until it reached the end of the third cycle.
I usually don't enable loop so I don't know if this is something to do with my loop setting or if I'm just having a new midi related issue.
Will investigate more...tomorrow...or the day after...
 
(Edit: I must have forgotten to switch from Comping mode to Sound on Sound mode. I ran this test a few days later and it worked fine, except that I could only hear some of the notes I recorded in previous takes while I was recording.)