Hmmm, with all of the synth-heavies chiming in here maybe I should chuck out a question from over a year ago. When I first got Z3TA+2, I was messing with initializing it and trying to make things (and failing miserably at times). Suddenly I decided I wanted to make the lead in on The Cars "Magic." I never got savvy with multiple oscillators and all of the ways you can tweak them and had posted a thread to the effect of "How to create that in Z3TA+2 after initialization with the least number of mouse clicks?" Can that lead-in be created on one set of oscillators?

Hmmmm...Magic by the cars, you may need a DX-7 for some of that. I was in an 80s top 40 band in 84/85 and trying to recreate stuff from the Heartbeat City album took years off my life (lol). I got away with just a Juno 106 and DX-7 back then. Some of that intro sounds like square waves with some pitch envelope on them.
 

...let me put this in perspective... I am a guitarist/vocalist, so many times at a synthesizer I feel like a "lost soul"
 
Z3TA+2 is overwhelming in many ways for me because I understand the concepts, but having a sound in your head and getting it to come out of a synth are two totally different beasts. I had a friend in college who was into Van Halen's 5150 album, and I think she had a Korg M1... she would just play a chord, and within seconds would have an exact match of the song she wanted to play.
 
I was researching the Cars and I think I read that much of their work was done on a Minimoog... but not sure. I think for me it was more I know that lead-in well... I just cannot create it "from scratch" with something as complex as Z3TA+2. So maybe is more that I am looking at the elephant rather than pieces to get there... i.e. I was trying to run a marathon before I could even walk. Z3TA+2 just gave me immense respect for sound engineers in the first month I owned it!

Hey I'm a keyboardist, teach classes on MIDI and the Z3ta+2 overwhelms me as well at times, so don't feel bad.

If u happen to have a Privia PX-5S around, there's a patch for the siren on their site.

Well, I have to say I'm happy with the Siren. But while I have your attention, any suggestions for the melodic stuff going on patch wise?

As a postscript; regarding z3ta+ programmimg complexity:
 
The best primer for me was - believe it or not - PSYN / PSYN II.  Still an RGC creation (for Project5), with hardwired routings and many of the complexities of z3ta+ stripped out.  Yet it was enough like z3ta+ 'lite' in design to demonstrate the basic ideas and concepts.  Almost as if z3ta+ was reborn as a 'normal' subtractive synth.
 
z3ta+ and version 2's features like waveshaping, oscillator inter-modulations, and LFOs almost warrant a .pdf manual for each.  You can gather most of the modulation matrix concepts from Rapture or Dimension Pro.  The same goes for the on-board effects.  But z3ta+2 still has many more possibilities for complex patching.  z3ta+ was (and maybe still is) way ahead of its time.
 
BTW:  I'd probably use a sync'ed sawtooth LFO through a Pitch curve to a single oscillator for the Cars' 'Magic' opening (same chords as the verse).  But there's that other layered oscillator sweep (hand-tweaked satellite beeps), plus the churning, panned square LFO.  I suppose it'd be possible to create a single patch to do all three, but not with a single oscillator.

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BTW:  I'd probably use a sync'ed sawtooth LFO through a Pitch curve to a single oscillator for the Cars' 'Magic' opening (same chords as the verse).  But there's that other layered oscillator sweep (hand-tweaked satellite beeps), plus the churning, panned square LFO.  I suppose it'd be possible to create a single patch to do all three, but not with a single oscillator.

I was trying to use 3 oscillators when I attempted that, but was just learning Z3TA+2 at the time and still find the number of controls available overwhelming to this day. The amount of customization that can be done is unreal and I continue to be in awe of folks who can hear a sound in their head and just tweak a synth to make it.
 

This is still on my "to do" list:
http://www.groove3.com/str/z3ta-explained.html
 

I was trying to use 3 oscillators when I attempted that, but was just learning Z3TA+2 at the time

 
On second thought, I'd use Rapture and 3 Elements.  Sawtooth Up Pitch LFO on the first oscillator layer, a pitch sequencer on the 'asynchronous' pitch sweeps with echoes, then copy/paste Pitch, Pan, and Amp sequences for the third layer buildup.  Hell, maybe a fourth Element for the drum fill!
 
I think it'd be easier to map out some of those layers with internal sequences.  It's about the only thing that z3ta+2 couldn't do.  And if there were anything I couldn't live without from z3ta+2 (oscillator-wise), I'd export it from the Waveshaper (right-click - Save Wavetable As ...), and dump it in Rapture.