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  • vst's lagg after recording 3 tracks getting chopping echo???
2013/12/31 19:57:56
jbl420
what is going on is that im getting chopping up echoing breaking up sounds while hitting the pads after recording about 3 or 4 tracks so I end up turning the buffer slider down which seems to stop it for a few tracks more but it gets to the point where you have turned the buffer so far down onto slow that my mpd drum controller pads don't respond fast enough so no matter how fast you hit a pad the pad sound is delayed im using mme32 bit driver I was also using a mic tried recording and I had noticed a windy whining sound while playing the recording back at one time and have also noticed the volume of the mic recording seemd to go kinda up and down at times .
 
Now I been through this topic awhile back I mentioned something about it somewhere and the person said onboard sound and I said ya and they said that's my problem get a firewire audio interface or atleast usb  os im thinking about it and I have alil pocket change to get something so im looking at this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=936328&Q=&is=REG&A=details and it says its compatable with most professional studio workstation products. compact audio mixer with usb interface. 
 
My question is will this work and improve sound quality overall or is my problem with memory meaning I don't have enough I have 5g's of ddr2 and a quad core with a sata2 hd im thinking that should be enough.
 
im only looking at this product as it is within my budget. btw I mostly record hiphop music so I tend to use vst's
2014/01/01 08:27:04
Bristol_Jonesey
Personally, I'd look at an interface from someone like Focusrite, M-Audio, Presonus.
 
The one you've linked to doesn't seem to be of a particularly high spec and it only provides 18V Phantom Power and a lot of condenser mics will expect to receive the industry standard 48V
 
What are you currently using as an interface? I think your current problem is the MME drivers - for best performance you need something that supports ASIO
2014/01/01 08:44:19
Kalle Rantaaho
Perhaps something like Tascam 122 would still be squeezed in your budget? It's about 20 € more than the Pyle.
Or maybe Roland Duo Capture. That Pyle has features totally unnecessary to you (mixer), and to get best value for money in that price range you should find something that focuses only on the essentials. Of course you could first try ASIO4ALL drivers for your mobo soundchip (free DL). That has helped many.
 
Also, different VSTs strain CPU very differently. Some are resource hogs.
2014/01/01 09:13:10
Steev
Unfortunately the Pyle is an audio sound mixer and won't be of any use for solving your latency problems. It will only interface with your existing sound module thru USB.
 
What you need is something like this M-Audio M-Track http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=m-audio+m-track&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ta that has it's own external sound device that's used not only for  MUCH better and cleaner natural sounding audio, but much faster MIDI input/output and accuracy for your VST softsynths as well, because it as a much lower latency clock source for SONAR when using M-Audio's ASIO drivers.
 
There are of course many other brands, but as far as I know, in my own experience, this would be the least expensive and reliable to deliver rock solid professional grade results.
2014/01/01 09:20:25
gcolbert
Bristol_Jonesey
for best performance you need something that supports ASIO


Health Warning - ASIO drivers do not prevent STDs.
 
That your performance seems to get worse as you add tracks leads me to believe that you may be up against a problem other than just your drivers.  There are a lot of the plug-ins and audio FX that force latency.  Try turning off all of your effects to see if this may be where the problem lies.  This can be done with the 'E' key shortcut.  The 'E' key enables and disables effects.  If this makes a difference then you are probably just using a plug-un that should only be used for mixing and not while tracking or playing live.
 
See if your latency issue is being caused by plug-ins or by over driving the audio before assuming that your driver mode is the cause of the problem.  As you add tracks, are you adding more volume causing your project to overload your sound card?  Try routing all of your track output to a buss with the buss output to the hardware.  Then put a limiter (Concrete limiter, Boost 11) on the buss to prevent overloading the hardware.  If this does not help, look for an AI that has drivers specifically written for it by the manufacturer instead of ones that depend on generic device drivers (which seems to be the case for the PylePro).
 
Rather than just assuming that ASIO is the cure for all of the world's problems you need to look for an audio interface (AI) that has proper drivers specifically written got it.  If you can't find a driver specifically written for the device you are thinking about it will probably not perform well enough for serious audio work.  I think that this may be the issue I would have with the Pyle mixer that you were asking about.
 
ASIO is a driver protocol that was defined to provide lower level access to the hardware.  It has specific limitations that may make communication with specific hardware work better.  It does limit the functionality of the devices that use the protocol.  However, as years have passed the standards for interfacing to hardware have changed and Windows has made improvements that use these new standards.  SOME newer devices have better drivers than those of the olden days that actually perform better using WDM/KS or other protocols.  Sometimes WDM is better than ASIO.  It depends on how well written the driver is, not on what protocol is used.
 
 
2014/01/01 13:31:52
Kalle Rantaaho
Steev
Unfortunately the Pyle is an audio sound mixer and won't be of any use for solving your latency problems. It will only interface with your existing sound module thru USB.



It also includes audio interface, according to the specs. 
2014/01/01 15:06:12
Steev
Yes it does have a USB 2 audio interface but that just connects the mixer's audio input it to the computer's internal sound card or most likely in this case an integrated sound chip on the motherboard.
 I know it sounds confusing, but just think of a device like the M-Track not as a mixer, but more precisely as a "DEDICATED" external SOUNDCARD UPGRADE that plugs into the computer via USB2 instead of an internal PCIe slot. USB2 has more than sufficient speed to get 2 tracks of audio and 16 channels of MIDI smoothly in and out with M-Power ASIO drivers @ somewhere around 5ms latency.
 
I actually use a MUCH older and outdated M-Audio MobilePre USB2 interface that makes it possible to workably run about 8 audio tracks with an instance of Dimension Pro and Rapture each running in SONAR X2 Producer smoothly with M-A's ASIO DRIVERS @ 5.6 ms latency on a Compaq Presario consumer mid-grade Laptop with Win 7 64x and 8 gigs of RAM.
 Try running X2 without the MobilePre on the same project on the same machine running MME drivers latency shoots up off the charts so bad that once I hit play it becomes completely unstable making it utterly unusable pile of lagging, choppy, echoing box of junk.
And BTW, with all due respect, ASIO drivers most certainly DO prevent STDs! Now I'm not talking those free one size fits all ASIO drivers that allegedly are supposed to turn your little built in sound chip into a fire breathing dragon. I'm talking about replacing that little sound chip with a high quality soundcard with high quality tested and refined ASIO drivers written specifically for it. No matter what brand A/I you choose use that brands specific drivers.
While it's true their are many other causes like too many CPU intensive audio plugins running, trying to use and play ultra high quality samples without 8 to 16 gigs of usable memory, your virus protection kicking in, and etc. and so forth, and a whole list of other things that will of course bog you down quickly.
 
 For over 10 years now I have been building and configuring my own, as well as for several select friends custom very high performance Windows based computer workstations. I haven't got any complaints yet.
2014/01/01 16:11:30
jbl420
so does every interface come with phantomSubmit Post power standard on the mic port??? and ya ill look into the m audio. i was seeing interface and reading phantom power so i figured this would be good
2014/01/01 19:49:03
jbl420
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