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2013/12/28 19:48:33
grizwalter
guigz2000
When switching to WDM, there will be a hardware analysis which will tell you what sample rate/bit depth is available.



 
I know this, which is why I'm saying I can't use those modes. MME-32 and ASIO allow me any and all sampling and bit rates. WASAPI and WDM do not. I don't know why, but it tells me immediately when it can't do it, and you can see the results as it tests too, saying "ok" or "not available." Can't think of any reason a driver mode would be unavailable in one mode and available in another unless that particular mode doesn't support it.
2013/12/28 22:47:23
mettelus
kitekrazy
Get something like a Focusrite Scarlett.


I just got my first Focusrite based on things the folks have said in the forums, and it is beyond amazing. Even though it is set to ASIO and exclusive (both in Win7 and X3), anything I open connects to it in "ASIO" mode at the same time! X3, Melodyne, Geist, Audition... all open at the same time and playing through the Saffire without any issues. First time I saw it was with Melodyne and I attributed it to ARA integration, but I am assuming that it is truly "the best damn WDM wrapper" on the planet.
 
I found that feature by accident, but have been nothing less than thrilled about it.
 
Edit: The Focusrite ASIO driver actually uses "ASIO Aggregation," meaning that it can accept multiple inputs via ASIO and process them all... someone dropped the proper term and tech spec on me in another thread, so I wanted to update that here.
2013/12/29 11:56:57
Anderton
grizwalter
kitekrazy
Get a soundcard for cryin out loud.  I've ran a system similar to yours and your problem is relying on onboard sound. No ASIO4ALL driver is going to make an improvement.  Get something like a Focusrite Scarlett.



I could probably use a better soundcard, but that has nothing to do with the bulk of my problem I'm certain.




Then borrow an interface and find out. I have a couple laptops and gave up on using the internal sound options a long time ago, they're just too unreliable. A good interface with good drivers will solve a lot of problems.
2013/12/30 14:24:33
grizwalter
Anderton
grizwalter
kitekrazy
Get a soundcard for cryin out loud.  I've ran a system similar to yours and your problem is relying on onboard sound. No ASIO4ALL driver is going to make an improvement.  Get something like a Focusrite Scarlett.



I could probably use a better soundcard, but that has nothing to do with the bulk of my problem I'm certain.




Then borrow an interface and find out. I have a couple laptops and gave up on using the internal sound options a long time ago, they're just too unreliable. A good interface with good drivers will solve a lot of problems.
 




 
I am using an interface. I don't have an external sound card as well, but I run everything through my ART USB Dual Pre, which is a Preamplifier/Audio Interface which has everything I need. I do mostly mixing and mastering, so don't need a ton of inputs, outputs, but do need phantom power and XLR stereo ins, among other things. Thus this particular interface. Like I said, that certainly isn't where my problem rests. It is in my old motherboard in part, and in part it is also, I think, that the song I was working with must have something odd going on behind the scenes, because I moved on to another project, and ended up using a lot of processing, and never once encountered any audio glitching, with about 30 tracks. So it was less tracks, but it was at least as much processing.
2013/12/30 15:29:16
Pragi
Hi,
why not trying another soundcard like focusrite,roland aso?
Sure a lot of your probs will disappear.........
and if not (imo not possible!) there is no problem cause most 
online shops offer a 30 days money back guarantee aso.
So there is no risk except you get rid of probs.
 
Have fun
Pragi
2013/12/30 17:16:41
grizwalter
Pragi
Hi,
why not trying another soundcard like focusrite,roland aso?
Sure a lot of your probs will disappear.........
and if not (imo not possible!) there is no problem cause most 
online shops offer a 30 days money back guarantee aso.
So there is no risk except you get rid of probs.
 
Have fun
Pragi



 
I considered doing so. However, since my system is clearly a bit old now, and considering I've spent a good deal of money on other things this year (my favorite being my KRK Rokit 8s!, lol), I am probably just going to make do with what I have for now and next year it will probably be time to simply buy a new computer. When I do, I'm going to have one custom built. Outside of a motherboard, better CPU and new soundcard, my computer is actually a gem I've pushed way beyond its expected means and lifespan with my own upgrades over the years. It hid its underlying problems from me until SONAR X3, it seems!
 
Anyway, it just doesn't make much sense to me to spend money on a new soundcard running in conjunction with a somewhat underpowered computer. Next year beckons!
 
Thanks,
Griz
2013/12/30 18:07:58
jhughs
I'm with scook.  I may throw this out for discussion, but it doesn't seem like there's a lot of value in going to a 96K sampling rate and it seems to be the culprit behind a number of performance problems.  If you've already recorded your clips at 96K I believe the processor will still be driven to high levels, so try converting or re-recording those at 44 or 48K.  Otherwise, buy the most powerful CPU and largest disks you can find.
2013/12/30 18:24:30
grizwalter
jhughs
I'm with scook.  I may throw this out for discussion, but it doesn't seem like there's a lot of value in going to a 96K sampling rate and it seems to be the culprit behind a number of performance problems.  If you've already recorded your clips at 96K I believe the processor will still be driven to high levels, so try converting or re-recording those at 44 or 48K.  Otherwise, buy the most powerful CPU and largest disks you can find.



I am no longer using 96K. I was told at one point that higher sampling rates made things run better, but I didn't see any difference one way or the other. It didn't cause me any performance problems generally, but I didn't notice much advantage to it either. I'm back to 48K--keeps less resampling involved anyway.
 
Otherwise, I completely agree. The next purchase will be a new, custom built computer, and that should pretty much cover everything.
 
Thanks,
 
2013/12/30 19:35:25
Kev999
I don't get how you were working at 96/24 with this device:
http://www.bhphotovideo.c...REPS_USB_Dual_Pre.html
48/16 is the max according to the spec listed here.
2013/12/30 20:43:47
grizwalter
Kev999
I don't get how you were working at 96/24 with this device:
http://www.bhphotovideo.c...REPS_USB_Dual_Pre.html
48/16 is the max according to the spec listed here.


The link you provided isn't working for me. Just keeps saying the page can't be displayed.
 
Someone else told me there are multiple versions of the thing though, so maybe that's the story.
 
Also, I'm thinking the interface wouldn't matter (in terms of specs like that) when it comes to mixing/mastering anyway, right? I mean, everything is happening inside the computer with wav files, and I'm only hearing it back through the speakers connected to the interface. I haven't actually recorded a single thing with an audio input since getting X3 Studio, so maybe I'll have a new problem with which to contend then! lol  
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