grizwalter

Kev999
I don't get how you were working at 96/24 with this device:
http://www.bhphotovideo.c...REPS_USB_Dual_Pre.html
48/16 is the max according to the spec listed here.

The link you provided isn't working for me. Just keeps saying the page can't be displayed.
 
Someone else told me there are multiple versions of the thing though, so maybe that's the story.

According to the spec in the manual on the manufacturer's website, the converters are only 16-bit, with a max sampling rate of 48kHz.
http://artproaudio.com/ar...oduct/usb_dual_pre_ps/

Kev999

grizwalter

Kev999
I don't get how you were working at 96/24 with this device:
http://www.bhphotovideo.c...REPS_USB_Dual_Pre.html
48/16 is the max according to the spec listed here.

The link you provided isn't working for me. Just keeps saying the page can't be displayed.
 
Someone else told me there are multiple versions of the thing though, so maybe that's the story.

According to the spec in the manual on the manufacturer's website, the converters are only 16-bit, with a max sampling rate of 48kHz.
http://artproaudio.com/ar...oduct/usb_dual_pre_ps/

 
Well, I don't know, but I am definitely getting a better rate than that, and like I said, there is no conversion in progress anyway, since I'm not recording anything. It is all internal, so not going through the interface except to hear it in my speakers.

grizwalter

Kev999
 
...the converters are only 16-bit, with a max sampling rate of 48kHz.

...but I am definitely getting a better rate than that, and like I said, there is no conversion in progress anyway, since I'm not recording anything. It is all internal, so not going through the interface except to hear it in my speakers.

I seem to remember that when I first started to use Sonar I was not able to work in anything but 44/16 until I eventually installed a suitable soundcard, after which other options became available.  I therefore concluded that the soundcard (or audio interface) limited the settings that Sonar could use.  Maybe I'm wrong about that.
 

Griz,
You mentioned you're planning to buy a custom built computer.  Jim Roseberry helped me on a computer question and I noticed he has a link to this site for custom DAW computers: www.studiocat.com.  I built my last computer awhile ago but may get my next one from studiocat.
Jeffrey 

Kev999
I seem to remember that when I first started to use Sonar I was not able to work in anything but 44/16 until I eventually installed a suitable soundcard, after which other options became available.  I therefore concluded that the soundcard (or audio interface) limited the settings that Sonar could use.  Maybe I'm wrong about that.

You're probably correct, although current soundcards usually have more options.

jhughs
Griz,
You mentioned you're planning to buy a custom built computer.  Jim Roseberry helped me on a computer question and I noticed he has a link to this site for custom DAW computers: www.studiocat.com.  I built my last computer awhile ago but may get my next one from studiocat.
Jeffrey 

Thanks for the link Jeffrey! I'll definitely give him a look. If nothing else, I can get some pricing and options.
 
As to the 44.1/16 bit thing others have mentioned, again, it isn't a problem for me. I'm able to record and playback at pretty much any rate I want, and from everything I can tell, it doesn't really have any impact on the performance one way or the other. My problems clearly lie in my older motherboard first and foremost, and so I suppose the time has come to finally acknowledge that fact, man up, and start looking into a brand-spankin'-new computer I can ride and flog years after it too is senile and decrepit!
 
Thanks again all.

My guess/prediction is that you will get better performance with a new computer but you may still find that the sound card is one of the sources of the issue and will likely upgrade that as well.  Sinceyou pretty much know that the PC needs an upgrade, going with that first is probably the better idea.
 
Let us know how it goes.

Blades
My guess/prediction is that you will get better performance with a new computer but you may still find that the sound card is one of the sources of the issue and will likely upgrade that as well.  Sinceyou pretty much know that the PC needs an upgrade, going with that first is probably the better idea.
 
Let us know how it goes.

Hey Blades. Agreed completely. My intent, since most of the components of my computer are actually quite good (upgraded, excellent power supply, installed upgraded killer graphics card, Extended USB support, quiet fan system, and so on, etc.), I'll be able to spend more money on a new mother board, better cpu, better ram type, and a sound card. Should be a good experience all around!
 
As a sidebar, and I know this issue is pretty well covered now, but weird things happen from time to time, and with this issue I'm sorta experiencing one of those moments now.
 
I completed a 30 track mix without encountering a single instance of audio drop out or stagger. I found this somewhat odd, but attributed it to good luck. Of course, most of the time I haven't had issues, so it got me wondering what had happened with the other mix, and why? At the same time, I had recently downloaded Ample Guitar LITE to give it a try before buying the full version. The day I did that, I was damned glad I hadn't just bought without trying it out first, because it literally would not play two chords in a row without crashing my audio. This was all happening at the same time I was working on the oh-so-notorious 44 track mix, but I was not in that project when testing out the guitar program. After upgrading my RAM, I tried Ample Guitar LITE again, and it still acted stupid. I was a bit baffled, but let it go, attributing it to a program which required a very serious system to work.
 
Anyway, with the 44 track mix painfully completed, and Ample off the to-buy list, I went to work on the 25 tracker and all went splendidly. After a couple days passed, I figured, what the hell, why not try Ample again. I did, and it worked without a hitch. No problems. No issues. No drop outs. Nothing but perfect performance.
 
Someone mentioned earlier that maybe the project I'd been working on itself was corrupted or causing my problems. Is it possible, though, that just by having the files in the project folder, and opening it at some point in a day, it could cause problems with my performance/system globally, in effect? That mix is off my main hard drive now, and I haven't experienced any problems at all since. Could this have been a primary driver to the drop out problem? I don't see how, but what the hell do I know?
 
 

I wouldn't THINK simply loading the project should cause a problem, but you never know what gets loaded into memory and what doesn't get unloaded after-the-fact.  Only a complete reboot will assure that there is nothing hanging around from a badly created plugin or whatever.
 
Since I DO IT for a living (Small Business computer support/web design/training), I can say pretty definitively that there isn't any such thing as luck when it comes to this stuff.  As a general rule, there is a reason for everything that happens.  Some things are more obvious than others, but even dumb stuff has to be taken into account sometimes - like the temperature of the room being different when there are problems or some background process you didn't know started itself up (completely unrelated to Sonar).
 
I've seen things like Wi-Fi power management screwing up regular networking even when the Wi-Fi adapter wasn't "in use" - it was just there, turned off by power management, and bam - problem.  I've recently dealt with a "printer crashing windows" every time something was printed - again turned out to be a problem with a setting in the wi-fi adapter, and the printer was connected via USB.  Something was related, though because once the setting was changed, there hasn't been a printing crash since and before that it was literally EVERY time a page was printed.
 
Keeps my professional life interesting.

Wow! That printer one cracks me up!
 
Yeah, makes sense. Probably was some utterly unrelated issue underneath everything, and probably one I'd have never found. Maybe one day soon I'll load the 44 tracker in question again, only this time I'll just yank it off my backup drive directly, and see how it runs. Will be very interesting maybe.
 
Thanks sir!