Interesting...  maybe the undo buffer is involved...
 

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just keep in mind if your work is so important(I know you don't want to hear it) but back it up man.  :) 

Question: how do I backup a project I just started working on? How does one backup work they're in the middle of doing?


1. Create a new project
2. Get a good flow happening
3. Stop & Save
4. Burn DVD's
5. Launch my online backup, upload the file
6. Now, what was I doing? Oh yeah, I was working on a song at some point. 
7. Make a change
8. Repeat steps 3-7?

Backups will happen after I'm done working, not during.

And sorry, saving should NEVER corrupt files. I've never had it happen in any other software. I've had saves fail in other software for various reasons, but only Sonar has corrupted files during failed saves. 

I like Cakewalk too, but I refuse to apologize for their critical bugs nor do I try and pin the blame on the end-users.

is it really that hard ?
at days end, I copy the working folder on my external HD.
at the end of the month, I burn all those copy's to disk.

now how do you take 8 steps to do this process ? ..lol

you don't blame the user for losing 6 months worth of work?
because that's exactly what you just wrote.
go ahead and read your comment again.
"I like Cakewalk too, but I refuse to apologize for their critical bugs nor do I try and pin the blame on the end-users. "


8 steps to save a project ? im sorry..lol
even my buddy next to me is laughing.
upload ? where are you uploading ?
burn dvd's?  in between saves ?
even if you copy the project file to a different part of your hard drive you have a simple back up.

you should only need to back up your work to dvd between once a week to once a month.

either you just want something to complain about or your working backwards man.

Again, you missed the point. Yes, at some point in the last 6 months the OP should have backed up. However, when saving/autosaving will corrupt a project is impossible to predict. And it doesn't matter if it's 6 months worth of work that was lost, or 6 hours. Barring a catastrophic hardware failure, one should never loose work during a save.


Now, as I've already said, I had it happen in a brand new project. This means 1) I never even had the chance to backup, and 2) there was no other version of the project for me to revert to. Luckily, it was early enough in and everything was fresh enough in my mind that I was able to recreate my work fairly quickly.
That said, I should NEVER EVER EVER have experienced that. No other software I've ever used corrupts files on saves. Sonar does.

Now post back and tell me how it's my fault for not having named my project, and how had I done that, autosave would have created a second file and how I'd have at least some prior version of the project I could have gone back to. You'd be right. Except, and this is a big EXCEPT: no professional software should corrupt files on save with any kind of regularity. Photoshop, Word, Excel (and I spend probably 20x the amount of time in these programs just do to the nature of my fulltime work) don't corrupt files. Sonar does often enough that these posts crop on the forum frequently. In fact, it seems like a lot of people in this thread have had this happen to them. Well, it's unacceptable.

And I don't want something to complain about...I just want a DAW that can save projects without corrupting files. I don't know why you think it's ok that this happens. Is it a "Cakewalk's from Boston and I am too" thing? Heck, maybe you even work for them in some capacity. Otherwise, I don't get it. 

I don't think its okay this happens and im sorry for your loss (of your project)
this is never happen to me, so I cant agree with you. I wish I could so I could relate, im not saying it doesn't happen because...well look here at this thread,
I just don't see it every day, every week, maybe once every month ?
maybe ?
so out of 1000's of users, a corrupt sonar file ?
this could be anything, it may very well not even be sonar corrupting the file ? hmmm?
possible.
 
I don't use autosave, that might be another one.
I don't even use autosave on any software I use, not word, anything.
 
its not a boston thing, its a ..I made a comment and you quoted it, then mocked me about it.
so after this, you then turn around and say, its a boston thing ? 
no,it isn't.
 
some people do indeed enjoy complaining, they like it.
I save my complaints for serious inquiries, because I have found that if you complain all the time, then when you have a real complaint, its over looked,
people are just: "o he complains all the time"
so I save my complaints for real issues, which I have a few.
I only mention this because your posts usually end up going down this road and at the end there is this.. "well cakewalk should";
 
ive had corrupt files in other apps before so im sure it will happen to me sooner or later.
but I don't think cakewalk should stop, drop and roll looking for he corrupt project file problem like you want them to.
every software sooner or later is going to do a few things you don't like.
my theory on this is, we have become so spoiled with software that we expect it to do every little thing we want it to.
only problem is every application has different environments (different apps running in the background, exc) so its bound to follow the laws of error.
it was only 10 years ago when you could only do half the things you could do now on a daw and if someone would have presented the idea
of doing these hi-technical things with a few flaws back then, you would have certainly jumped at the offer to use these hi tech functions.
so at what point to we start biting the hand that feeds us these great pieces of work ?
I guess now..lol
 
there are those who have trouble understanding this theory. probably like yourself, it sounds it anyway.
I don't see the forum blowing up with this issue, sorry not buying it.
 
by the way, my corrupt files in other apps that I mentioned earlier,
they were do to a failing hard drive.
not saying this is the case for everyone but in my case it has been.
 
good luck
 

My day job is computer systems support.  I tell ALL of the computer techs in this field that if they EVER lose data due to not having a backup they should look for another line of work...tough love but it is what it is.
 
Yes, it may or may not be SONAR causing the problem, however, the problem does exist.  In light of that fact, we should all find a way to secure our data.  A bit of work up front will save us from "shock."

I tell ALL of the computer techs in this field that if they EVER lose data due to not having a backup they should look for another line of work...tough love but it is what it is.

 
In three distinct formats/locations, correct?   
 

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I tell ALL of the computer techs in this field that if they EVER lose data due to not having a backup they should look for another line of work...tough love but it is what it is.

 
In three distinct formats/locations, correct?   
 

Well, in this case, at least two different formats/locations. 

Autosave would have saved your ass! Well...  if not your ass, most of your project....  I've had that truncation issue before and the Autosave file ALWAYS works.  Then of course of you have versioning turned on, you have more choices to recover from

stxx


Autosave would have saved your ass! Well...  if not your ass, most of your project....  I've had that truncation issue before and the Autosave file ALWAYS works.  Then of course of you have versioning turned on, you have more choices to recover from

The thing to be careful about is where your backups are going.  If they're going to you local PC disk(s) and not to an external device you could end up getting yourself into a real mess if the local disk(s) take a hit.
 
I store an image of the system disk on of my local disks and on an external disk.  I also store a full backup of the data (projects) on my local disks and on an external disk. 

It is important to understand that when SONAR saves, the data may not be written to disk immediately. If write caching is enabled for the hard disk (which it seems to be by default), Windows will complete the write some time later when it's not busy or the cache is full. If there is any glitch or crash before the cache is committed to disk, the file will be corrupted or lost. There is nothing that SONAR can do about this.

How to turn off caching:

http://www.speed-up-pc.or...ware/write_caching.php

However, ypou will likely have some version that is useable that was successfully written prior to the disk issue.   Also, there is some GREAT SW out there that lets you recover a good portion of a blown HD.   I've used it and it totally saved me. It is called "Diskinternals Partition Recovery" and it works!   I also have a kit that allows me to hook up any type of hard disk via USB including notebook style so between those 2 things, if your disk crashes and you don't have a good backup, there is a very good chance you will be able to recover most if not all of your data. using those tools

stxx


However, ypou will likely have some version that is useable that was successfully written prior to the disk issue.   Also, there is some GREAT SW out there that lets you recover a good portion of a blown HD.   I've used it and it totally saved me. It is called "Diskinternals Partition Recovery" and it works!   I also have a kit that allows me to hook up any type of hard disk via USB including notebook style so between those 2 things, if your disk crashes and you don't have a good backup, there is a very good chance you will be able to recover most if not all of your data. using those tools

But, we always have a good backup...RIGHT!