• SONAR
  • really is x3d that bad (p.5)
2013/12/22 21:48:14
gswitz
mettelus
Hehe... I mentioned that several months ago and got the replies "It has been tried in the past..." and "Go ahead and start one..."



I've gotten the same feedback when I've mentioned it in the past.
 
CakeAlexS
Go ahead and create a wiki.... If you dont like it..... be proactive and do something! cheers... :)



Alex, this post feels a little needly to me. Not sure. The great majority of the forum visitors are being proactive and doing something. I count myself in that group already.
 
If I create the wiki, I'll own it and have veto. I'll be the self appointed moderator. "Watery tarts throwing swords at you doesn't make a system of govt." :-)
 
It strikes me that it would be best moderated by Cakewalk itself or by moderators the company appoints.
 
 You don't have to hang in the forum long to know that moderators can be a good thing.
2013/12/22 21:52:44
Splat
 > Alex, this post feels a little needly to me. Not sure.
 
Seriously go and start your own bug list or WIKI. What is stopping you? I can't do this all by myself you are right...
 
> It strikes me that it would be best moderated by Cakewalk itself or by moderators the company appoints.
 
May I suggest you contact Cakewalk with your suggestion and get it going :).
2013/12/22 21:58:23
gswitz
CakeAlexS
I can't do this all by myself you are right...



Alex, I'm trying to say that this sort of work is better as a group or top down. It can get a little topsy turvy when a regular user self appoints and drives the effort alone. It's a good way to start to show the value of some new initiative, but if you can get critical mass, sometimes it can be turned over to a larger group... go public if you will and formalize it as a group effort.
2013/12/22 22:03:38
Splat
Alex, I'm trying to say that this sort of work is better as a group or top down. It can get a little topsy turvy when a regular user self appoints and drives the effort alone. It's a good way to start to show the value of some new initiative, but if you can get critical mass, sometimes it can be turned over to a larger group... go public if you will and formalize it as a group effort....
 
And I am saying I agree. Any group initiatives from you or any ideas you want to form I am very interested to partake in. Right now I don't have time to do what you are suggesting (not saying that won't change in future), but I think it is a very good idea. As it's your idea maybe you should get the ball rolling, I'm happy to cooperate any community effort providing I have the time.
 
In the meantime all I'm doing is compiling an issues thread nothing more, most people have found it useful so far. I doubt I will have the resources to sustain it for much longer (maybe till the end of the year)... so yes... go for it..
2013/12/22 22:16:26
Vastman
gs....
Personally, I like the way things generally flow around here... Alex obviously has the time, interest, and heart to give what he does and I find many forum regulars impart their own special flavor or flow to the needs of us who are floating in the boat of Cakeland...
 
We are getting lots of good top down feedback, reflection, responses... which is quite wonderful
 
And there are enough obnoxious jerks like me to yell at winy dingleberries...
 
A "cake" is made of lots of unique and special ingredients... 
 
and I think things are cookin' pretty sumptuously lately...
 
we are lucky so many give so much so freely...
 
I treasure this and it is quite unique
 
FREEEDOM!!!!!  (Oh how I hate right wingers...)

2013/12/22 22:44:07
Splat
BTW I am a member of an opensource community on another project, maybe 9 years now. They liked me so much in the end they contracted me for a few years. So I have lots of experience in this....

Sadly you do need a leader of projects or multiple projects when it comes to software otherwise it turns into the People's Judean Front and no decisions get made. Generally it is split into various teams, with team leaders, top down.... however in reality the process is quite democratic and selfless (people wouldn't be doing it if they didn't believe in it), and it's just painfully slow because people do not have the time. Also things can get heated just like these forums because people are extremely passionate... 
 
There is generally one rule though, the one who has the idea is the one who needs to get the ball rolling. Just because you think of it, it doesn't mean all of a sudden by magic it is there. Ideas are a waste of time if they just remain ideas... unless it moves onto another idea...
 
As we all know, Cakewalk is not opensource..... yet.
2013/12/22 22:50:16
bobguitkillerleft
Hey there,
I love my Sonar!,I really do,but I was up till 4.30am this morning re re re[and-re] working on an old simple[6 basic tracks-only  1 instrument track for Steven Slate Drums 4 Platinum]and as per usual,I sometimes run a lot of waves plugins,ever since I scored that Studio Essentials bundle,it definitely gets a workout [since I got it for a steal] as does Paul Frindle's Pro Audio Dymamic Spectrum Mapper V2[not a steal AT ALL!],any way just before calling it quits at 4.35am,I downloaded X3d.
 
I think after only a few hours sleep,today was going to be a tad troublesome regardless,anywayI jumped back in,and loaded the basic 6 track Rock lead guitar extravaganza[lol]and no dice,even with the VS-100 ASIO buffer at MAXIMUM!,never mind the numerous changes to other buffers,milliseconds,Audio Data,from all the 3 choices[import/render/record] that had been fine at 64,down to 24,all this and still no dice...milliseconds of sound,followed by the "Dropout" warning alarm.
 
This little Dell XPS L502x i7 2630qm[April 2011]has been through the wringer,but even messing with ALL the usual suspects in Preferences,disabling Wi-Fi,disabling the DPC monster Nvidea GT540M[red spike enticer to the extreme!]in Device Manager,and my little 6 track project refuses to play,oh but the 1 stereo track pre master plays just fine.
 
Consequently Iv'e reverted back to X3c,for the moment,as I'm sure it's something else,and will take the time to eventually sort this out,there is no doubt there are probably 5[at least!] N.I.and Waves compressors too many,but at 3.00am on X1c[all 64 bit,but 64 bit engine unchecked-in preffs,and exporting], all was just dandy!,but now orrrgggh well....computers-love the fact they've enabled me to get back into music,but seriously a Prism Lyra or a [ slightly cheaper depending] RME anything,are looking better,and better by the day.
 
Hopefully soon I can enjoy the unbridaled glee that Craig seems to be having....If I'm Extraordinarily lucky[and WORK very hard at it!]
Cheersyoo
Bob
2013/12/22 22:55:53
Splat
Tony Iommi rules! :)
2013/12/22 23:51:39
bobguitkillerleft
CakeAlexS
Tony Iommi rules! :)


Yeah he surely does[and he's Left Handed]but he's Rich,Famous :/
2013/12/23 01:07:18
Anderton
CakeAlexS
So hang on, to roll back do you run the patch again?
Otherwise my confusion (at least) is that it isn't in add/remove programs.



[Edit: See Noel Borthwick's comments in Post #57. Seems I got lucky that this worked for me, and that uninstall/reinstall is a safer option. However, this technique can still work for recovering less critical files, and Noel describes a way that this can work - although he still doesn't recommend it.]
  1. Navigate through the C: drive maze and locate SONARPDR.EXE in the Sonar X3 Producer folder.
  2. Right-click on it and select Properties.
  3. Click on the Previous Versions tab.
  4. Windows will likely find a previous version.
  5. Right-click on it and select Properties.
  6. Click the Details tab, and under Product Version, you should see X3c.
  7. If selecting the file enables the Restore button, click on it and X3c will return. If not, or the file isn't local, click OK, click Open, click Run, and cross your fingers.
 
However - bear in mind that this may affect other installations related to Sonar, so use it at your own risk. It did seem to work as advertised when I tried it, although after testing I then went back to X3c because I didn't think that unchecking the 64-bit audio engine would mean the end of my ability to create music.
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