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2013/12/23 19:00:17
Anderton
...wicked
Everyone has their personal list of things they want changed/fixed/added (here's mine: varispeed, improved asset mgmt tools, center-lock now time), but the steady stream of newbz and luddites who can't figure stuff out and get on the forum with their hyperbole option cranked to 11 are just giving me a headache with all the eye-rolling I'm doing.



I hear you. The ones that give max roll-eye are the ones that act like some relatively small issue involving a feature that may never have even existed before is so crippling it has made it impossible for them to create music.
 
Anyway...I was writing a book chapter in Word today and the first two sentences of a paragraph just...disappeared. They were there one minute, and when I scrolled the page back up, they weren't. (This was on a Mac, too, which as we all know never misbehaves in any manner whatsoever .) I scrolled back down, and the sentences still weren't there.
 
So of course, I immediately went to the Microsoft forums and started a thread called "Word is BROKEN!! Deletes words randomly!!!!!"  Within minutes, a Microsoft representative gave a reply saying he could reproduce the problem, and about 5 minutes later, he posted a fix.
 
Well, not really. I saved the document, closed Word, opened it again, and the missing words had returned. Which incidentally is my first line of defense with all software when it misbehaves!
2013/12/23 20:55:43
SilkTone
Anderton
I hear you. The ones that give max roll-eye are the ones that act like some relatively small issue involving a feature that may never have even existed before is so crippling it has made it impossible for them to create music.



I'm curious, what are these features other people complain about that make them unable to create music? You keep brining it up in all your posts but we don't know what you mean.
2013/12/23 21:00:39
Splat
Bring back the 64 bit precision engine debate!!!!!! :)
 

 
 
2013/12/23 21:06:37
SilkTone
CakeAlexS
Bring back the 64 bit precision engine debate!!!!!! :)
 

 
 




Hey I think I sat next to that woman on my train commute the other day...
2013/12/23 21:50:44
Anderton
SilkTone
Anderton
I hear you. The ones that give max roll-eye are the ones that act like some relatively small issue involving a feature that may never have even existed before is so crippling it has made it impossible for them to create music.



I'm curious, what are these features other people complain about that make them unable to create music? You keep brining it up in all your posts but we don't what you mean.




The Great 64-Bit Engine Debate is a good example. But I would think the rest of the post would have indicated it was not written in a spirit of Utmost Seriousness.
2013/12/23 22:40:51
Paul P
Anderton
The ones that give max roll-eye are the ones that act like some relatively small issue involving a feature that may never have even existed before is so crippling it has made it impossible for them to create music.



Nice to see a Gibson archangel disparaging the users of its products.
 
2013/12/24 05:44:27
Vastman
trolling tonight?  didn't have enough "wine?" OY! get a life...
my only excuse for being here saying stupid stuff is that my DAW is still in the shop undergoing an upgrade...
what's yours?
2013/12/26 20:41:45
Goddard
Anderton
SilkTone
Anderton
I hear you. The ones that give max roll-eye are the ones that act like some relatively small issue involving a feature that may never have even existed before is so crippling it has made it impossible for them to create music.



I'm curious, what are these features other people complain about that make them unable to create music? You keep brining it up in all your posts but we don't what you mean.




The Great 64-Bit Engine Debate is a good example. But I would think the rest of the post would have indicated it was not written in a spirit of Utmost Seriousness.




Oh please. That thread was hardly a debate (leastwise, certainly not in the old cakewalk.audio ng tradition), and I don't recall anyone ever claiming it was impossible to create/produce music with the DPE disabled.
 
As for being an example, well, perhaps an example, when having the DPE enabled suddenly became problematic, of a backing away from what had formerly been touted as a "premium" feature (iirc the DPE was only migrated down to the "essential" version as of X2). Not that ample opportunity wasn't offered to step up (maybe too subtle?). At the least, some deft avoidance.
 
Perhaps in the new year a real debate might actually ensue...
2013/12/26 20:45:20
Splat
Nooooo! For the love of god :)
2013/12/26 22:10:18
Anderton
Paul P
Anderton
The ones that give max roll-eye are the ones that act like some relatively small issue involving a feature that may never have even existed before is so crippling it has made it impossible for them to create music.



Nice to see a Gibson archangel disparaging the users of its products.




First, Goddard was right - it wasn't the 64-bit engine thread, it was the "Cmon, Cakewalk fix the 64-bit buzz" thread. I just remembered it had something to do with the 64-bit engine. Hey, I don't remember every title and story line of every thread here...
 
This was the one where someone said he didn't upgrade to X3 because other vendors don't have issues with bugs (!), and for the year of software he paid for it, it was mostly for months of bug fixes. And frankly, I don't read EVERY word of every post. So when I see reactions from other people in the thread saying things like "Surely you can still make good music without this one feature" and "So with all that we kind of whittle down the pool of people where this is a CRITICAL issue to be rather small," I figure they probably did read every word and had reasons for the conclusions they drew.
 
But beyond that, to blow that up into saying I was disparaging the users of Cakewalk's products doesn't take into account I was responding with a generalization. I'm sure you've seen the people who come in here, do a couple of posts about some absolutely crucial thing that Sonar doesn't do but Fruity Loops or Reaper or whatever does, how they simply cannot create music with that, and how we all suck for being so stupid not to use the software they use.
 
[And the backstory on the "impossible to make music" line: I was basically stealing a line from myself that anyone who's seen my seminars has probably heard, where I talk about an incident with Passport Designs' Master Tracks Pro (which had 240 PPQN MIDI resolution) back in the 80s. A user called up Passport support and DEMANDED a refund so he could buy Logic, which had 1024 PPQN resolution or something like that. He said that a sequencer with only 240 PPQN was "totally unacceptable to reproduce the nuances of my music." Well, Passport gave him the refund. Shortly thereafter, I did an article on sequencer jitter for Keyboard magazine and found that the timing inaccuracy for both Master Tracks Pro and Logic was EXACTLY THE SAME! This was because on a Mac Plus, the extra resolution stressed out the system to such an extent it ended up with far more jitter than the lower PPQN that didn't stretch out the system as much. So basically, he was saying that of two systems with identical timing accuracy, one was totally unacceptable while the other one was worthy of his musical genius. That made quite an impression on me ]
 
Furthermore, I do not always slave over edits when I'm writing a lot of posts in a short period of time. Anyone who's seen me on this forum for more than a single-sentence snapshot (I've been coming here for 10 years) knows I love this community, think it's one of Sonar's biggest strengths. I've often said when I need a question answered, I come here first. And as I've also stated many times in the past, one of the reasons I come here and try to figure out solutions for people is to give back because of all I've gotten from this forum.
 
Finally, if you looked at the entire post, it had this whole silly Microsoft Word scenario about me starting a thread in the Microsoft forums. I think it should have been clear by then that I'm not so totally DEADLY SERIOUS about all this, and I'm not adverse to putting my tongue in my cheek from time to time. If what I said came across as being a deadly serious statement, I'll try to be more careful in the future and not forget to add the
 
However, just to clarify, my comment about not understanding why Kim Kardashian is famous was serious. I really don't know why she's famous
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