I shut down, disconnected both other interfaces but that changed nothing as of yet. Going to try the RME forums also. I updated the drivers and just updated Sonar to X3d

BTW... Firewire card is a Texas Instruments Chipset. Forgot to answer that.
 

So this AM I booted up the PC forgot to turn on the RME & Motu first then powered up the RME and wallahhh there was sound? So played a few project, played with my soft synths all worked wjile in ASIO btw. So now I guess to figure out how to incorporate the Motu 828 into the mix. Seeing as tho all my hardware synths & drums are running into it.

Windows sounds run 16 bit at most and 44.1khz sample rate and CANT use ASIO drivers. If you have windows set to use a particular sound card then it no longer becomes available to Sonar if it's set to use ASIO.

WDM drivers will allow several devices to run concurrently. But it does create the problem of synchronisation between the various hardware devices. A chain of SP/DIF I/O can send and receive the necessary clock settings but can be problematic. Bad synchronisation will result in jitter, drop outs and and a slew of issues not worth the trouble of going through.

This is just some info I hadn't seen in the previous threads, though I could have missed it.

mudgel
Windows sounds run 16 bit at most and 44.1khz sample rate and CANT use ASIO drivers. If you have windows set to use a particular sound card then it no longer becomes available to Sonar if it's set to use ASIO.

Thanks did not know this. I only had it ASIO Bob Boone wanted to make sure of functionality while helping solve my issues. Now that we know it works fine I need to get it back to WDM drivers and get all 3 functioning.

WDM drivers will allow several devices to run concurrently. But it does create the problem of synchronisation between the various hardware devices. A chain of SP/DIF I/O can send and receive the necessary clock settings but can be problematic. Bad synchronisation will result in jitter, drop outs and and a slew of issues not worth the trouble of going through.

If I get the sync issues I have BNC 75ohm to lock it all to either my console or the RME if need be. But I am using them all in Sonar but for separate uses. The 828mk2 is for my hardware synths & drum machines etc.. The RME is for all my Vocals and live instrumentation and the FW-1884 is if I add any more out board gear. But for now I need the RME &  Motu functioning properly.

This is just some info I hadn't seen in the previous threads, though I could have missed it.
Great info! Please contribute as possible I have much to learn and fast as possible.

Thanks!

You don't play all those instruments simultaneously do you? It seems more like you want everything permanently connected in which case you'd be better off with using your best interface together with some AD converters. I have an RME FF800 and can connect 28 audio channels simultaneously just by using 2 ADAT devices for additional input. Only. 1 driver and 1 device as far as my DAW is concerned

You will need to connect all your clock I/O so that all devices are synchronised. There is still no guarantee that each device's drivers will let them cooperate fully. All drivers are not created equal. Sometimes the WDM/KS drivers are OK, however, in most cases, ASIO drivers are the most stable and generally preferred for providing lower latency.

I understand your point. I just do not understand why this set up worked so well in X2 but not X3.

Bob:
 
The "Minimum Processor State tweak" made a BIG difference in my setup.  I am able to reliably bring down the reported total round trip latency to a ridiculously low 6.2 ms.  I can finally do real time audio tracking with effects with input echo enabled.
 
Thanks so much for this information,
Paul

robert_e_bone
That setting is under the advanced settings for Power Management.  One person has reported that they do not have that option, but I have always found it in the above settings.
 
Control Panel\System and Security\Power Options\Edit Plan Settings - then click on Change Advanced Power Settings, then under the High Performance Power Plan, expand the 'Processor Power Management' group, and you will see the Minimum Processor State option - set that to 100%.
 
Hope that helps, 
 
Bob Bone
 

In Windows 7 it's called Processor Performance Core park Min Core. It's in the same area as specified by Bob.
If you can't see it Run Windows update several times, including the optional fixes. The person who can't see it  probably needs to do this...
 
If you still can't see it there is a registry hack (google it).
You don't need to worry about core parking being turned off in the BIOS if this setting is applied.
 
Cheers..
 
Alex

kellerpj
Bob:
 
The "Minimum Processor State tweak" made a BIG difference in my setup.  I am able to reliably bring down the reported total round trip latency to a ridiculously low 6.2 ms.  I can finally do real time audio tracking with effects with input echo enabled.
 
Thanks so much for this information,
Paul

FANTASTIC news!
 
@Alex, after Sir Les had reported from a prior thread that he did not have the Processor Power Management (where the Minimum Processor State and Maximum Processor State are found), I went to a Windows 7 machine I used to use as my primary DAW, and it was also labelled the same as it is for me in Windows 8.
 
I am wondering if that naming difference is something in one of the multiple flavors of Windows 7 (Home, Premium, Professional, Ultimate, Super Duper, New and Improved, Wowzer Dowzer).  - I don't recall what the flavors were called - please forgive me for substituting drivel.
 
The point is that perhaps its name varies among Windows 7 versions, and that is why Sir Les did not have it under the name I gave him, and perhaps why it is under the name Alex has supplied.
 
Bob Bone
 

Well I had to do a registry hack as originally it wasn't available to me (at the time), so I'm thinking later down the line Windows update introduced the functionality to the masses (when it became fully baked). So maybe there's a difference between reghackers and those who had it laid out in front of them..?