UnderTow

giankap

amiller


Very helpful info guys.  What do you use, when mastering, to pump up the volume?

Definately L2 or L3 form waves.

L3 is just horrid and tends to destroy mixes. The L2 is OK but has long been surpassed by much better an/or cheaper competitors like Voxengo Elephant 3, iZotope Ozone's limiter, PSP Xenon, FabFilter L-Pro, Sonnox Limiter, etc etc

Or, you could just clip your converters.

UnderTow

I always figured I just couldn't figure L3 out, but if you have to use L3 you might as well use Boost11.

I hope this question is on topic, but do any of you use a 'sub master' bus? And if so where would you place an MB compressor with a sub master in the signal chain? On the sub master bus, or the master bus?

HumbleNoise


I hope this question is on topic, but do any of you use a 'sub master' bus? And if so where would you place an MB compressor with a sub master in the signal chain? On the sub master bus, or the master bus?

What is a sub-master bus and/or how do you use it?

A1MixMan


Brandon, you sound hungry with all this talk of cooking with salt and sausages. Damn, now I'M hungry...

mmmmm....sausages....

Brandon I'm a novice/intermediate so I am gathering info from a LOT of different sources and in one video I watched, the engineer suggested everything be routed to a Sub Master bus where all fades and effects were processed before the Master, then the signal was sent, from the Sub Master to the Master for final limiting and mix down. I wish I knew more about the actual logistics but someone out there explained the need for a sub master and it sounded good to me.

I kinda assumed it was something many were familiar with? But perhaps not and any more info re: a sub master bus much appreciated.

Wow, Just did a google search and found my original question from above. OT, of course, but that's a pretty good search engine. Maybe it'll catch on.

HumbleNoise


Brandon I'm a novice/intermediate so I am gathering info from a LOT of different sources and in one video I watched, the engineer suggested everything be routed to a Sub Master bus where all fades and effects were processed before the Master, then the signal was sent, from the Sub Master to the Master for final limiting and mix down. I wish I knew more about the actual logistics but someone out there explained the need for a sub master and it sounded good to me.

I kinda assumed it was something many were familiar with? But perhaps not and any more info re: a sub master bus much appreciated.

I think you have answered your own question. The LP would go on the master buss as you describe what a sub master is.  Though if you need to automate the LP you might want to place it on the sub master. LOL

One neat thing about this forum we all learn something. I vaguely remember hearing about a sub master but totally forgot what it was.  

I can't recall ever needing a sub master buss in Sonar.

bitflipper


amiller, it sounds like you're just getting your feet wet with mastering. If that's the case then Ozone may be your best bet - it's specifically targeted for users who want good results but don't quite know what they're doing yet. That describes most of us here!

Yes, I guess that's true, I am new to mastering especially with plugins.

Here's my deal.  I originally got into recording because my band needed a demo CD to present to club owners for potential jobs.  I got tired of the bar scene and now I write and record my own originals...much more satisfying.  My songs are instrumental Rock oriented pieces.  So far they include bass, drums, guitars and minimal keys.  The only MIDI I use is for Superior Drums.  The rest are real world instruments.  I've been recording, mixing and mastering on a stand alone VS2480 for about 10 years or so.  My music is my passion and hobby.  I switched to a PC based DAW a few months or more back.  I'm enjoying the heck out of the DAW and especially SONAR 8.5.3.  I'm learning to transfer my knowledge from the VS2480 environment over to the PC DAW.

I ask a lot of questions more for opinion than anything else...I'm always curious what the other guy is doing and how he gets from point A to point B compared to how I do.  Actually, I think my mixes don't sound all that bad but I'm ALWAYS looking for a way to improve them and get them closer to what the "big guys" are doing in the "million dollar studios."  I've never had the privilege of recording in a "professional" studio.

So, please keep the info coming.  I love this kind of sharing conversation!!!

HumbleNoise


Brandon I'm a novice/intermediate so I am gathering info from a LOT of different sources and in one video I watched, the engineer suggested everything be routed to a Sub Master bus where all fades and effects were processed before the Master, then the signal was sent, from the Sub Master to the Master for final limiting and mix down. I wish I knew more about the actual logistics but someone out there explained the need for a sub master and it sounded good to me.

I kinda assumed it was something many were familiar with? But perhaps not and any more info re: a sub master bus much appreciated.

I see. It sounds to me like a hold-over from older DAW mixing architecturesor something. I can't think of why it would be necessary, but it could depend on how one works and what there mix architecture is like. You could certainly do it in SONAR but it would just be another bus in the path, which doesn't necessarily hurt anything at all, but I don't see how it would be useful or necessary - at least in SONAR's framework where buses are entirely flexible.

FWIW: I leave my master nus at unity gain and get all the gain staging proper prior to it hitting the master bus. Perhaps wanting to adjust the volume of the sub-master is why someone would want a sub-master bus, but I would use input gain on the bus instead or reduce the volume of the buses feeding the master, etc.

In short, I can't see how an additional bus prior to the master bus would be useful in SONAR's mixing architecture. If you find out any more, please share.

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on the console view all the buses to the right of the buss with the speaker icon are" sub buses which mean they "feed" the main buss
those "sub" busses are receiving a send from the respective track instruments /vocals etc