2016/12/28 15:11:50
kennywtelejazz
This thread certainly has the possibility of going places  I'm gonna keep an eye on it ...
 
Having said that I'm gonna introduce a determining factor that many people today will probably overlook
 
 IMHO , from a craftsmanship point of view , what an acoustic guitar represents today is a far cry from what an acoustic guitar represented from the point of an old school luthier  from yesteryear ....
Some-where's over the course of recent times ( 50 years maybe ? ) both the market place and our general society has changed to the point where  the demands of the market place have conveniently swept under the carpet the true value of what represented a luthiers true calling in life ...
The Ability to Breath a new Life into the woods he or she chose to make a unique expression of an acoustic guitar that will inspire the player to new untold levels of musical creativity ....
This relationship is one of synergy ...
It consists of what the best nature has offered in woods, what the best craftsmanship and guitar design the luthier has offered in design and his guitar build work ethic, and of great importance , what the best the player has to offer as a player who desires an instrument that will help them express their best music ...not hinder it
 
Jame's story of Tim's guitar is a perfect example of my previously expressed opinion ....
The forces of Nature have been combined with the genius of the luthier to give the talent of the player in this case Tim the Artist a true tool and instrument too express his talent  ...
 
Not every guitar player in life is that Lucky
 
woof woof , that's doggie talk for good wood
 
Kenny
2016/12/28 15:35:37
drewfx1
kennywtelejazz
 IMHO , from a craftsmanship point of view , what an acoustic guitar represents today is a far cry from what an acoustic guitar represented from the point of an old school luthier  from yesteryear ....
Some-where's over the course of recent times ( 50 years maybe ? ) both the market place and our general society has changed to the point where  the demands of the market place have conveniently swept under the carpet the true value of what represented a luthiers true calling in life ...
The Ability to Breath a new Life into the woods he or she chose to make a unique expression of an acoustic guitar that will inspire the player to new untold levels of musical creativity ....
This relationship is one of synergy ...
It consists of what the best nature has offered in woods, what the best craftsmanship and guitar design the luthier has offered in design and his guitar build work ethic, and of great importance , what the best the player has to offer as a player who desires an instrument that will help them express their best music ...not hinder it




Amusingly, I'm guessing you didn't intend that to sound exactly like something a marketing shill would write, but... 
2016/12/28 16:30:23
spacey
drewfx1
kennywtelejazz
 IMHO , from a craftsmanship point of view , what an acoustic guitar represents today is a far cry from what an acoustic guitar represented from the point of an old school luthier  from yesteryear ....
Some-where's over the course of recent times ( 50 years maybe ? ) both the market place and our general society has changed to the point where  the demands of the market place have conveniently swept under the carpet the true value of what represented a luthiers true calling in life ...
The Ability to Breath a new Life into the woods he or she chose to make a unique expression of an acoustic guitar that will inspire the player to new untold levels of musical creativity ....
This relationship is one of synergy ...
It consists of what the best nature has offered in woods, what the best craftsmanship and guitar design the luthier has offered in design and his guitar build work ethic, and of great importance , what the best the player has to offer as a player who desires an instrument that will help them express their best music ...not hinder it




Amusingly, I'm guessing you didn't intend that to sound exactly like something a marketing shill would write, but... 


It also doesn't address whether or not the luthier laminated the sides, back, top, or used solid wood and if so exactly where.
IMO the single most important facts of the build have not been mentioned. It is such a major factor that it would be very easy for one to purchase at a price level they assume reflects solid wood when it may not at all.
James did not mention that either.
A very good looking and very good sounding acoustic does not indicate the construction methods. One must know so they can make educated cost comparisons to help assure they know exactly what they are paying for and why.
 
IMO that is the starting point. "Does the guitar have any laminated wood?".  If so, how much?
Then all the other questions can be addressed. Until that is known...place your bet because you just don't know how to value an acoustic guitar. Hang on to your money until you do unless you just like to gamble.
2016/12/28 16:43:37
slartabartfast
The rosewood issue has the potential to be a real problem. Not only is it illegal to harvest or ship new rosewood into or out of the US, but old rosewood guitars must be registered at considerable expense in order to be able to clear customs on your return if you take them out of the country, and in some cases must have a visa to enter foreign countries. So if you plan to do a lot of international travel, you might want to sell your old high end guitar to someone more sedentary. 
 
https://www.ibma.org/press/archives/you-cant-take-my-guitar-what-every-traveling-musician-should-know-about-cites
 
2016/12/28 16:56:26
jamesg1213
spacey
 

It also doesn't address whether or not the luthier laminated the sides, back, top, or used solid wood and if so exactly where.
IMO the single most important facts of the build have not been mentioned. It is such a major factor that it would be very easy for one to purchase at a price level they assume reflects solid wood when it may not at all.
James did not mention that either.
 




 
I didn't mention it because I have no idea, it wasn't my guitar. I just put the story in there because I was reminded of it.
2016/12/28 17:20:38
spacey
slartabartfast
The rosewood issue has the potential to be a real problem. Not only is it illegal to harvest or ship new rosewood into or out of the US, but old rosewood guitars must be registered at considerable expense in order to be able to clear customs on your return if you take them out of the country, and in some cases must have a visa to enter foreign countries. So if you plan to do a lot of international travel, you might want to sell your old high end guitar to someone more sedentary. 
 
https://www.ibma.org/press/archives/you-cant-take-my-guitar-what-every-traveling-musician-should-know-about-cites
 


 
Let's take a guitarist that has one of each;
 
He's getting prepared to go on the road performing. He must decide to take only one acoustic. Which one should he take? They both sound and play very good.
 
Why would anyone in their right mind take the solid wood - NO MATTER what kinds of woods were used?
They wouldn't. Only the ignorant person would.
 
They would take the laminated one. It's the tuff one. It's not going to get any better than what it is and will stand up better to "the road".
 
"old high end guitar"   - that was the key. It represents "solid wood".
 
My advise- No reason to sell that high end guitar. Know which one is right to travel with is.
 
2016/12/28 17:31:00
smallstonefan
Here's an interesting article on the Pallet Guitar from Taylor guitars. Bob Taylor wanted to show how much the craftsmanship mattered vs the quality of the wood, so he built a guitar out of shipping pallets in his factory!
 
http://www.guitaradventures.com/taylor-pallet-guitar-story
 
 
2016/12/28 17:45:12
kennywtelejazz
drewfx1
kennywtelejazz
 IMHO , from a craftsmanship point of view , what an acoustic guitar represents today is a far cry from what an acoustic guitar represented from the point of an old school luthier  from yesteryear ....
Some-where's over the course of recent times ( 50 years maybe ? ) both the market place and our general society has changed to the point where  the demands of the market place have conveniently swept under the carpet the true value of what represented a luthiers true calling in life ...
The Ability to Breath a new Life into the woods he or she chose to make a unique expression of an acoustic guitar that will inspire the player to new untold levels of musical creativity ....
This relationship is one of synergy ...
It consists of what the best nature has offered in woods, what the best craftsmanship and guitar design the luthier has offered in design and his guitar build work ethic, and of great importance , what the best the player has to offer as a player who desires an instrument that will help them express their best music ...not hinder it




Amusingly, I'm guessing you didn't intend that to sound exactly like something a marketing shill would write, but... 



 
I put it out there .
 
You can read into it and take it anyway you want too ...
 
I'm Pro Guitar Luthier..not big box guitar company
 
I sincerely hope you enjoyed your short brush with Greatness 
 
Kenny
 
2016/12/28 18:57:20
spacey
I think the topic of laminated vs solid wood may be a questionable topic for this forum.
I feel like it's to easy to drift and bump into "feelings" rather than staying on topic with known facts about the two different construction methods- pro's, con's and pricing.
 
I do apologize and think I've expressed all I care to about the topic.
 
 
 
 
 
2016/12/28 23:38:24
kennywtelejazz
spacey
I think the topic of laminated vs solid wood may be a questionable topic for this forum.
I feel like it's to easy to drift and bump into "feelings" rather than staying on topic with known facts about the two different construction methods- pro's, con's and pricing.
 
I do apologize and think I've expressed all I care to about the topic.
 
 



Yeah spacey ? so that's how you honestly feel ? 
If that is indeed the case , while your on your way out the door in a thread you started .
You can go take a chomp for all I care
 
Kenny
 
PS , I don't do passive aggressive ..
this info has been provided for anyone who finds the need or has the desire to play games w me ....
 
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