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2013/12/18 18:54:54
southpaw3473
bitflipper
Dim Pro is actually pretty good. Even the often-overlooked TTS-1 does a decent job.
 
Randy Bowser (rbowser on the forum) and I did a shootout a couple years ago that included every string library you ever heard of. We offered a cool prize supplied by Gary Garritan to motivate participation, and got more than 40 submissions. Participants ranged from casual orchestrators (like me) to experienced professionals. Everybody worked from the same MIDI file, the Star Trek theme. They could use any library they wanted, as long as they used just one.
 
At the end, the lesson we all took away from that exercise was this: it's 99% skill and 1% which library you use. Learn to orchestrate properly, and you can make any sound source work.




I remember that shootout, Bit. Really fun!
I've been using MOTU Symphonic Instrument thru Mach 5 a lot recently and I like their libraries. I still use GPO and Dimension as well. 
2013/12/19 02:16:31
wizard71
I think that 99% skill 1% string library is more a representation of the fact you need to know how to orchestrate to make even the best string libraries sound their best.
I would say you definitely need both a decent library and orchestration skill if you want to compete, the reason being that you need lots of different articulations, maybe even some con sordino or the ability to use divisi for instance and the basic libraries don't provide large enough sound palettes to make a lot of orchestrations sound convincing. True legato is another massive step toward realism and this isn't anywhere to be found on the low end stuff.
2013/12/19 08:12:58
Sidroe
Garritan GPO 4 and East-West. Although, I picked up the Digital Sound Factory Symphonic Strings HD library for Dim Pro. It is very good for the money. Very affordable too.
2013/12/19 08:19:15
Sidroe
BTW, Wizard is correct. It would help if you investigated some articles about midi orchestration. There are some very good ones online. Garritan has a free orchestration and jazz course on their site that is very good. It also helps if you can locate some actual scores to look at. 
Orchestration is a life long study in itself. When done correctly and with the proper library it is sheer joy.
 
2013/12/19 11:12:55
Paul P
 
I've been trying figure something out, string-wise, but haven't found a suitable sample in my collection of DimPro samples - including Garritan Pocket Orchestra, DSF Hollywood Strings HD.
 
Maybe it's because I don't know what it's called, but it looks to me like the samples I have are all notes played with bowing in a single direction.  When you play a bowed instrument, you bow back and forth, and this movement provides part of the rhythm.  It may be on a single note, different notes on the same string or jumping to other strings.  You can get a nice beat going when the back and forth is mixed with the note changes.
 
Perhaps there's a way to fake this with simple samples ?
 
2013/12/19 11:54:26
vanblah
Paul P
 
I've been trying figure something out, string-wise, but haven't found a suitable sample in my collection of DimPro samples - including Garritan Pocket Orchestra, DSF Hollywood Strings HD.
 
Maybe it's because I don't know what it's called, but it looks to me like the samples I have are all notes played with bowing in a single direction.  When you play a bowed instrument, you bow back and forth, and this movement provides part of the rhythm.  It may be on a single note, different notes on the same string or jumping to other strings.  You can get a nice beat going when the back and forth is mixed with the note changes.
 
Perhaps there's a way to fake this with simple samples ?
 



I know that Vienna Symphonic Library has different bowing directions (pretty sure GPO does too), in fact, if you hold a note long enough you can hear it switch in VSL.  It would be really nice to have more control over it (speed, etc.).  However, this is what makes a sampled instrument so different from a real instrument.  A violinist will alter the speed of the bow so that they can play longer passages without changing positions if required.  They can also changed directions with as little or as much interruption as required (it's all in the wrist!).  I cannot begin to imagination how much sampling and programming would go in to such a thing though. 
 
I tend to think of sample libraries as very basic (even though VSL has lots of articulations as well as con sordino, col legno, half-step trills, whole step trills, tremolos, glissando, etc. -- all keyswitchable).  I grew up playing violin and I can get some very realistic string passages with a little work and for the most part VSL and GPO are all I need.  However, if I need something like bow control or technique I still have to rely on a real instrument--especially with solo parts.
2013/12/19 13:04:28
paulo
Depends on your level of orchestration skills and budget I would say. Even the very best librarires won't sound totally convincing if you don't know what you're doing (trust me, I know :) ) but someone who does have the skills could probably make most of them sound good. At the budget end, I think Miroslav Philharmonik sounds good for the price seeing as you can get it for next to nothing most of the time now. UI isn't the best though.
2013/12/19 13:15:15
BombayCharlie
Hey all, thanks for all of the suggestions! There seems to be one or two libraries that are the go-to for most of you. This has been very helpful. I also agree with the post that argues that knowing how to use what you have is ultimately more important than the quality of the sound. With a little ( or maybe a lot) of massaging you can coax a great sound out of a not so upscale library. I would suppose that would be a serious time investment as opposed to starting out with a really good sound and tweaking...
 
I really enjoy the perspectives in this forum. Thanks for taking the time to join in!
 
Happy Holidays...
2013/12/19 14:10:32
Bristol_Jonesey
I'm sure a lot of the more popular ones should have demo's of what can be achieved, and they do all sound slightly different to each other, so I would try and listen to a few before making a decision.
 
You might want to set a budget ceiling before auditioning some of the really expensive libraries 
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