Is it that others don't use lanes and loop recording to create multiple ideas? I often allow myself to loop and play different ideas then comp the desired ones together... This requires editing each lane in different players and selecting the varied pieces... They must each be trimmed by the need to use which portions...

Does this mean that I must switch to the "edit tool" and back/forth with other tools for fades etc...? If so, that just lost all the speed of the smart tool for editing for me... Another long winded work around...

Keni

Ok... I think I found a clumsy key cluster I created that will solve this dilemma for me... Maybe a few others...

I assigned the track view split command to alt-shift-s... It opens the split dialogue so it requires extra clicks, but it splits the selected clip at the now time.... So if I set the now time where I want to split an individual lane and select that clip/lane this key cluster will split the individual lane... Well see what goes on when I attempt to solo/select these unequal portions and use the other comping features I can't get around...

So while once again my workflow is disturbed, I have found a work around... I hope...

Keni

So far so good. I can split assorted clips/lanes with the cluster and select the portions I wish to use even if there are gaps between them... I think I'm getting somewhere now...

I guess what I should do is post a feature request for an extra condition control to be added to alt-click so that it would be easier/faster to accomplish this...

Keni

Hi, Keni. I haven't really scoped the whole thread but saw the last couple posts and although I haven't fully explored the new lanes yet I was having similar growing pains while dealing with comping different ideas in different takes and doing crops (which were behaving the same way you are describing your split woes). I think the problem is, and it's the same problem I was having, is that you are viewing it from the old school way of cropping/muting/soloing, etc. With the new methods it's all about "promoting", using the various editing modes and finding the correct hotspots on the clips.
 
So I haven't, as I said, done a full study on this yet otherwise I'd give you step by step directions BUT you are a smart fellow so try the following.
 
Using the Smart Tool and moving through the different editing modes (right click on the record button in the transport module to access the three modes... you mostly want to try out the new comping mode) then try doing range selects/crops/etc in the top and bottom halves of the clips. The behavior changes.
 
I'm currently in the middle of getting my new apartment cleaned up and reorganized now that I'm more familiar with the place but I will be doing an in depth study of the "new" ways of editing and will let you know what I find. It seems this has been the evolution of editing and likely what is tripping you up (as well as myself).
 
It is no longer about cutting things out. It is about making things climb to the top. It's like it's all reversed and flip flopped. It's weird but kind of cool. The hotspots and making sure you are in the right mode though is definitely a little counter intuitive to the way things have been done for... oh the past couple decades but it is pretty quick once you figure it out. It's just very different.
 
Like with tape you'd cut out what you don't want to be heard and it would hit the floor. Now instead you have a pile of tape on the table and you point at what you want heard and it rises to the top... but you gotta point at it at exactly the right spot.
 
Sorry that was terribly non technical but as I said I haven't done an in depth study yet. Just a general idea of the concept shift.
 
 

Of course there is always the F1,F2,F3,etc keys of the T hud options to zoom through tools if you don't want to deal with hotspots. I toggle in X2 to get at I want for editing but I'm not sure if that will be necessary as much in X3 if the hotspots work.
 
Really... it's the weirdass hotspots and modes that make things difficult but they are easy enough to learn if you spend a little time with them. The brief amount of time I've spent with the X3 editing functions tells me it will be much better than X2 and WAY better than X1. Layers were old school and I like them for a while but after a bit they started driving me crazy... not because they sucke but because I could scroll through them and they would get smaller and smaller and smaller.
 

+10000
 
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Beepster
Hi, Keni. I haven't really scoped the whole thread but saw the last couple posts and although I haven't fully explored the new lanes yet I was having similar growing pains while dealing with comping different ideas in different takes and doing crops (which were behaving the same way you are describing your split woes). I think the problem is, and it's the same problem I was having, is that you are viewing it from the old school way of cropping/muting/soloing, etc. With the new methods it's all about "promoting", using the various editing modes and finding the correct hotspots on the clips.
 
So I haven't, as I said, done a full study on this yet otherwise I'd give you step by step directions BUT you are a smart fellow so try the following.
 
Using the Smart Tool and moving through the different editing modes (right click on the record button in the transport module to access the three modes... you mostly want to try out the new comping mode) then try doing range selects/crops/etc in the top and bottom halves of the clips. The behavior changes.
 
I'm currently in the middle of getting my new apartment cleaned up and reorganized now that I'm more familiar with the place but I will be doing an in depth study of the "new" ways of editing and will let you know what I find. It seems this has been the evolution of editing and likely what is tripping you up (as well as myself).
 
It is no longer about cutting things out. It is about making things climb to the top. It's like it's all reversed and flip flopped. It's weird but kind of cool. The hotspots and making sure you are in the right mode though is definitely a little counter intuitive to the way things have been done for... oh the past couple decades but it is pretty quick once you figure it out. It's just very different.
 
Like with tape you'd cut out what you don't want to be heard and it would hit the floor. Now instead you have a pile of tape on the table and you point at what you want heard and it rises to the top... but you gotta point at it at exactly the right spot.
 
Sorry that was terribly non technical but as I said I haven't done an in depth study yet. Just a general idea of the concept shift.
 
 

Hi Beepster...
 
Thanks for the support, but I'm not having trouble with the comping tools, I'm having trouble doing other things and the comping tools get in the way! ;-)
 
No... Really... Much of the comping tools is learning how they work. that is all well and good and I'm getting the hang of that... I will use a bit and ignore a lot more, but one thing that has been plagueing me was being able to split the lanes individually to deal with the issues I need... and I found the tool by binding the Track view's Split Clips command to a key cluster... So now I can work with them somewhat. It's a bit slower both in a separate act of selecting the location as well as an additional click to close the window but it's faster than constantly changing tools tho F8<>F5 isn't too bad either.... But each is still longer (yes only by a click) than simply using a additional modifier with Alt-Click to cut only the selected clip... I've FR'd that...
 
My only other two issues with Lanes are the sad zoom actions and limitations and the inability to view the lanes within the track's own space instead of below it....
 
If I could make lanes as large small as I can make a track and Z-Click-Drag zoomed either a track or a lane to occupy the full screen area (It works for tracks as long as there are not more than one lane... More lanes than that and this shortcut makes a rtrack even with lanes hidden zoom as if it is a lane!
 
I currently spend more time re-sizing things and moving the screen around than I do any real work...
 
The new comping tools promise to be very handy in the right situations and will be a welcome tool eventually...
 
We'll see how much work-speed I can build up as I get more comfortable with the ned situations...
 
Thanks Again...
Keni
 

Beepster
Of course there is always the F1,F2,F3,etc keys of the T hud options to zoom through tools if you don't want to deal with hotspots. I toggle in X2 to get at I want for editing but I'm not sure if that will be necessary as much in X3 if the hotspots work.
 
Really... it's the weirdass hotspots and modes that make things difficult but they are easy enough to learn if you spend a little time with them. The brief amount of time I've spent with the X3 editing functions tells me it will be much better than X2 and WAY better than X1. Layers were old school and I like them for a while but after a bit they started driving me crazy... not because they sucke but because I could scroll through them and they would get smaller and smaller and smaller.
 

Yup... the hotspots can seem daunting... I'm not really having issues with them tho as many seem to be what I expect and a number of them I rarely have a use/need for...
 
At least now that I have two reasonable workarounds for my split issues, I have little outside zoom against lanes...
 
I have already gotten used to selecting my clips and promoting them... My problems were mostly with splitting them...
 
Now I just gotta find a way to See what I can't zoom large enough! Maybe one of those old screen magnifiers? ;-)
 
Keni
 

I like this solution...
 
I hope I can remember it... ;-)
 
Once I've selected the split tool with two clicks of F8, I can then quickly switch back and forth between F5 and F8 (split) directly... that's much faster and more like it... <whew>...
 
Keni
 
 

I should probably read the whole thread (I'm attempting to make dinner though) but AFAIK they seem to be trying to make splitting a thing of the past with the whole swipe/promote/auto crossfade stuff but I always just use S or use the function keys or HUD to get at the split tool. Is that not working?
 
Yeah... I should read the thread. I'm obviously missing something.