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2013/12/21 00:20:07
sharke
Can't really wrap my head around this one and wondered if anyone knows of a simple solution (or can just confirm to me that it's not possible). What I have is a line of single synth notes and I want to send only a select few of these notes to a delay bus. The trouble is that the notes have quite a long sustain, so if I automate the send level to the bus, it's going to chop off the tail end of sent notes when I zero the envelope to stop the next note being sent. I tried it thinking that maybe it wouldn't sound so bad, but of course it sounds awful 
 
Any ideas? I suppose I could just create another track with the same synth and create a delay effect manually, but this seems like a bit of a chore (and a waste of CPU). Or is that generally considered the method to use? 
2013/12/21 00:50:13
brian brock
you could mute all the other notes, then bounce the delay bus, or bounce the synth with the other notes muted and send that to the delay bus.  either way, you'd want to keep the original synth sound out of the bounce
 
Possibly you could use a midi delay, or just replay the notes more and more quietly to make something like a delay.
2013/12/21 01:26:45
sharke
Nice ideas, mind I don't want to get into bouncing anything just yet because I'm still in the composition stage here. I really should check out MIDI delay because I've honestly never used it before. 
 
Right now I'm playing with another instance of the synth....the "delayed" notes are panned to the opposite side and I'm actually liking the creative possibilities of having complete control over them. I can add little flourishes and harmonies that weren't in the original track. I really love this stage of music production 
2013/12/21 01:29:22
dubdisciple
Is it an audio or midi track?  if it's a midi track, it may not take that much effort to create a copy of the midi and just select the few notes you want to keep to paste into new track?
2013/12/21 01:33:26
Kev999
If the synth has multiple outs then you could have 2 separate synth tracks with a delay effect on one of them.
 
If you are using Rapture or DimPro and are only relying on one single element, then you could set it to Multitimbral mode and copy & paste the element setting to Element 2 and add the synth's own built-in delay effect.
 
If you are using 2 synths, you could still put the midi on one single midi track if you use a drum map to route certain notes to the 2nd synth.
2013/12/21 01:40:05
Phonic
Sharke, personally I just make a copy of the track, it gets the job done and is easy enough.  I usually name the track something descriptive like Synth1 MD.
 
I make copies of tracks, to effect sections with different effects or more track editing when it is required.  I often send them all to a buss for compression and further effects.  But that's just how I do it.
 
2013/12/21 02:08:25
SuperG
Heh, I picked up a midi the other day, just goofing around, and it had a piano all key pan spread.
 
Basically, it was busted into 11 tracks - starting from full left, each further track was panned a bit more to the right until the last one was fully to the right. Each track had no more than eight notes. Made me think why he he went through all the trouble to do this, the Yamaha XG synths have a piano patch that does just this without needing multiple midi tracks.
2013/12/21 02:09:15
sharke
dubdisciple
Is it an audio or midi track?  if it's a midi track, it may not take that much effort to create a copy of the midi and just select the few notes you want to keep to paste into new track?




It's a MIDI track. Yeah it wasn't that much effort to copy the MIDI over to a new track. It just meant another instance of Prism, which can be a fairly CPU heavy synth.
2013/12/21 02:10:05
sharke
Kev999
If the synth has multiple outs then you could have 2 separate synth tracks with a delay effect on one of them.
 
If you are using Rapture or DimPro and are only relying on one single element, then you could set it to Multitimbral mode and copy & paste the element setting to Element 2 and add the synth's own built-in delay effect.
 
If you are using 2 synths, you could still put the midi on one single midi track if you use a drum map to route certain notes to the 2nd synth.




This reminds me that I really must learn how to use Rapture! 18 months of ownership and I still haven't ventured past flicking through presets....
2013/12/21 09:15:32
thebiglongy
Not sure if this is possible but....

Is there a way to use a step sequencer to turn on and off the delay on the notes you require? Obviously you may have to create multiple patterns to get the job done?

Or possibly record automation of the on/off of the delay? or dry/wet.
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