Howdy!

I'm having a bit of a frustrating thing happen.

At least once a day, I'll "lose" automation envelopes on a track - usually a soft-synth instrument track. Here's what I mean by lose:

I can still see the envelope, but it's turned black. I shift-click on it with the smart tool, and instead of activating THAT envelope, it creates a new envelope (usually a track-length "jump" at 50%) and marks it "orphaned."

Going through the Edit Filter dropdown doesn't work. It doesn't show that any envelopes exist.

As far as I can tell, there is absolutely no way to interact with this "ghost" envelope. It's forgotten what it's supposed to be controlling, but there's no way to remind it. I can't even delete it, since trying to select it always results in a new orphaned envelope.

At the moment, my only fix has been to recreate the envelope, tracing the previous one and leaving it at that. That's extremely annoying, especially on tracks with a lot of automation.

I haven't found a reliable way to recreate this. It just happens. I've only noticed it when opening a file - I haven't seen a clear example of it happening while a file was being worked on.

Has anyone else experienced this? Any ideas? Thanks!

SYSTEM INFO:
- SONAR X1 Producer (X1d build 533) x64
- Windows 7 Ultimate with SP1 x64
- Intel Core 2 2.4GHz
- 8 GB RAM

Yes! I to have this problem, unfortunately I haven’t come up with a solution yet, other than hoping X2 sorts out this whole “Ghosted Envelope” fiasco! 

Are you using the Edit Filter to access an envelope? If you are trying to edit an envelope the same you did in 8 you will have a hard time. Ues the Edit Filter to select which envelope you want to edit. All the others will stay ghosted. This is intended.

John

As I mentioned, Edit Filter doesn't work. It doesn't show any existing envelopes available for editing.

I'm familiar with how envelopes work in Sonar X1 - I'm not new to it.

In 8.5, I just right-click on the envelope and re-assign it. Can you no longer do that in X1?

Bit,

Yeah, that still works in X1 (although it's a shift-click and then a right-click), but not for these little stinkers.

They're literally unreachable, at least as far as I've been able to determine.

hiberna


John

As I mentioned, Edit Filter doesn't work. It doesn't show any existing envelopes available for editing.

I'm familiar with how envelopes work in Sonar X1 - I'm not new to it.

Could show a screen shot of the orphaned envelops. 

Is this happening on all projects or just a specific one?

If it's specific to one project, it could well be corrupted and the only solution will be to recreate from scratch, which can be a major pain!

What if you open project in 8.5 and try to activate those orphaned envelopes?

Bristol, It definitely isn't every project, but it also isn't just one. It's happened on a few, and as I mentioned earlier, it never seems to happen WHILE I'm working in them. I just open them back up and voila! panup, I did a clean install of everything when I went to X1, so I actually don't have 8.5 on this system. Not a bad idea, though. Thanks for all the suggestions, folks! I've noticed that X1 isn't so great at instrument tracks, so I'm wondering if it isn't something related to that. At any rate, I'll keep poking at it! D