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2013/12/17 18:14:10
Splat
Oh now Sonar is being consumed by Apple!!!
Only kidding, glad we've got that codec, nice...
 
Cheers...
2013/12/17 18:19:05
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Anderton
Haven't installed D yet but will when I get back to the studio. I've done over a thousand videos so I have plenty of source material to try. I'll likely continue to use Vegas for video, but I do find Sonar very convenient for doing soundtracks while referencing picture...especially with Acidized files to line up with hit points.


Craig we have to get you on the beta :)
Please let us know how it fares with your videos. So far the videos I know of that don't work are type1 dv avi, sorenson and cinepak. The latter are because these are legacy codecs that don't exist in mf. For codecs to work in mf they have to be coded as dmo's. Fortunately the modern formats like h264 are supported. Even apple appears to be favoring h264 these days as their QuickTime pages suggest.
2013/12/17 18:34:01
Jimbo 88
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Can you please make some samples of the files that won't load available? Do those same files playback in Media player?
Also please test switching back to the DShow engine using the link I posted above. If the file uses custom codecs that aren't available to MF it won't load using the new engine and will require switching to DShow. Codecs are exactly like plugins - if the video used a codec in Directshow that isn't available to MF it will not load. 
In a future update we may try and make the switching more seamless. BTW the new engine is not a quickfix. Its a full rewrite of the video engine using a completely different technology from Directshow. Some teething problems are inevitable but it has significant benefits for the more modern formats that were not supported in DShow.


Hey Noel,   Sorry, I'm not allowed to send anyone my clients files.  I can tell you that they are Mpeg-1s and do playback in Windows Media Player.  As far as a "quickfix", you misunderstood me...I meant, "the fix for this issue is easy and quick  for me".
I think once I adapt to the new video engine I will like it.
 
2013/12/17 18:35:16
markyzno
*sigh*
 
I shall roll back to X3c and follow the forum as to when Sonar ACTUALLY address using this software in a professional manner within post production in the film industry.
 
I WILL NOT start using a second rate bit calculator to export my projects to clients, life is far too short and Video software does a far better job at exporting video and I can now easily hop to other freeware to remarry my audio to video.
 
Quite sincerely, this is an awful job at "vast video improvements", obviously I wont jump ship from my fave and one and only DAW but simply, as far as dealing with video this update is a complete let down for those of us that have to deal with PT as a necessary evil.
 
Sonar, you have alot to learn.
 
Thanks for your comments Noel, but this update clearly hasnt been tested in TRUE TERMS deliverables. The fact that you guys didnt know that MOV H264 worked prior to X3d is a bit...well....wow!
2013/12/17 18:39:48
markyzno
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Anderton
Haven't installed D yet but will when I get back to the studio. I've done over a thousand videos so I have plenty of source material to try. I'll likely continue to use Vegas for video, but I do find Sonar very convenient for doing soundtracks while referencing picture...especially with Acidized files to line up with hit points.


Craig we have to get you on the beta :)
Please let us know how it fares with your videos. So far the videos I know of that don't work are type1 dv avi, sorenson and cinepak. The latter are because these are legacy codecs that don't exist in mf. For codecs to work in mf they have to be coded as dmo's. Fortunately the modern formats like h264 are supported. Even apple appears to be favoring h264 these days as their QuickTime pages suggest.



 
I offered to beta for you...thus far this year I have put out a Feature film and 7 shorts all in Sonar....The feature has worldwide distribution (X2a) and the 7 shorts (X2-X3)...

Thankfully I am now taking time off for the family for Christmas and wont be back at work until the new year on another feature......IF I had a feature on now with X3d I would be crapping my pants and on to PT 10.3.6 (which I loathe)
2013/12/17 18:41:48
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Did you actually read what I wrote above? There is no need to go back to x3c because x3d also supports the dshow engine.
And on a clean system without 3rd party codecs h264 will *not*work in directshow.
2013/12/17 18:44:24
markyzno
Yes, I read the above...and I have changed engines back and forth twice in the config file and its still naffed (did you NOT read my previous posts Mr QC?)
 
I AM NOT going to reinstall my entire system for a bogus first attempt at a "video update"
 
*edit* also IF I uninstall previous codecs and go for Sonar as my GO TO export how do I know if ALL my hops to various exports of video wont be broken? How in gods name was this QC'd exactly? Under what environment? This is the most useless update of Sonar I have ever had...In terms of audio, everytime the updates are amazing but this is some half cocked, untested and quite frankly useless amateur hour update of Sonar (for me in Post Production) I have ever witnessed.... Thank Christ I dont have a client down tomorrow.
 
...meh, very disgruntled...
2013/12/17 18:54:46
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I suggest making a call to support to get to the bottom of your issue. Switching to direct show should be 100% identical to x3c. No needto reinstall anything on your system.
I understand your frustration but it isn't going to help you or us resolve the issue without more detailed info.
Btw you can verify the current engine mode in the video properties dialog. If it says media foundation then it's not switched to directshow.
2013/12/17 18:56:13
markyzno
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I suggest making a call to support to get to the bottom of your issue. Switching to direct show should be 100% identical to x3c. I understand your frustration but it isn't going to help you or us resolve the issue without more detailed info.
Btw you can verify the current engine mode in the video properties dialog. If it says media foundation then it's not switched to directshow.



Thanks for your kind offer, but i'll sort it out myself and report back here.
2013/12/17 18:59:58
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Jimbo 88
Hey Noel,   Sorry, I'm not allowed to send anyone my clients files.  I can tell you that they are Mpeg-1s and do playback in Windows Media Player.  As far as a "quickfix", you misunderstood me...I meant, "the fix for this issue is easy and quick  for me".I think once I adapt to the new video engine I will like it. 


I understand. Sorry for misunderstanding.
Media player falls back to directshow which could explain why. If you can find a similar mpeg1 let me know. We'll also try and replicate this.
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