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2013/12/14 03:18:22
Moderato Maestoso
Hi guys,
 
I have a question about instrument tracks. Using Kontakt with 16 "instruments" on 16 MIDI channels, each coming out of a separate Kontakt output (so, 16 audio outputs) - am I able to manually create instrument tracks for each of these, so rather than having 16 MIDI tracks AND 16 audio output tracks, I can just have 16 instrument tracks?
 
Inst. Track 1: MIDI channel 1 + Output A
Inst. Track 2: MIDI channel 2 + Output B
etc.
 
Thanks,
 
Martin
2013/12/14 09:22:51
scook
No, attempting to create instrument tracks for a synth with multiple audio and MIDI tracks will generate an error message. Instrument tracks are designed for synths having one audio and one MIDI track.
2013/12/14 10:11:48
robert_e_bone
+1.  I don't recall the specifics, but if I recall correctly, I think that as the level of complexity increases, some limitations with using simple instrument tracks become more apparent.  (again, this is dim recollection on my part, someone else can enlighten or advise on this).
 
What if you grouped some of the tracks into a track folder?  Would that get them out of the way for you?  I would think that you could lump all of the midi tracks into a track folder, then keep that folder collapsed once you are done with basic tracking for those.
 
Just a thought, 
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/12/15 05:24:49
Bristol_Jonesey
What it, instead of 16 midi & 16 audio tracks, you just have 1 midi & 16 audio, addressing the midi tracks in the PRV by selecting different Midi channels?
 
This does make it easier when arranging/composing to check your chord voicings.
 
You can also easily set up different PRV views which are docked in the multidock with different collections of Midi tracks to work with.
2013/12/15 15:15:09
SuperG
I do a lot of 'multiple midi channels to single audio track' stuff when working with classical music. I use this for creating instrument ensembles and orchestral sections.
2013/12/19 03:27:09
Moderato Maestoso
Thanks for the replies guys. Looks like I'm going to end up with a LOT OF tracks! :)
 
M
2013/12/19 08:34:21
bvideo
How bad is it really to have 16 separate instances of Kontakt? I'd guess no CPU hit and less than 100K ram usage difference between 16 separate instances vs a shared instance. Anyone ever measure?
2013/12/19 09:13:55
robert_e_bone
I have had as many as 8 instances of Kontakt, most with 4-5 instruments.
 
My computer has an i7 CPU and 32 GB of memory - no issues for me with that.
 
Have not tried 16 instances - likely will not come up in any projects I do.
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/12/19 16:29:52
LHong
Moderato Maestoso
Hi guys,
 
I have a question about instrument tracks. Using Kontakt with 16 "instruments" on 16 MIDI channels, each coming out of a separate Kontakt output (so, 16 audio outputs) - am I able to manually create instrument tracks for each of these, so rather than having 16 MIDI tracks AND 16 audio output tracks, I can just have 16 instrument tracks?
 
Inst. Track 1: MIDI channel 1 + Output A
Inst. Track 2: MIDI channel 2 + Output B
etc.
 
Thanks,
 
Martin




I'm not sure if I understand correctly what you have in mind?
Following is an example on the single Kontakt5 instance within Sonar X3, that using 16 instruments (refer to instruments Navigator screenshot), 16-MIDI Channels and 16 individual audio outputs mixer. Is it what you try to do?
 
Anyone thoughts or comments?
 

 
2013/12/20 09:57:08
subtlearts
I tend to set it up like SuperG above - a single Kontakt audio track (or an Instrument track so that the first MIDI track comes for free as it were) and then multiple MIDI tracks routed to the other Kontakt channels. Then I let Kontakt's internal mixer do most of the easy work, and pull out individual audio channels if I feel a need to. 
 
If you really want or need to use separate audio outs for every channel, I guess the only thing that will save on clutter is track folders - stick all the audio tracks in one and all the MIDI in another, so you can hide the audio tracks when you're working on MIDI, and vice versa when you're mixing. 
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