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2013/12/19 05:59:59
spacey
"1. Hire if not the best but at least "nearing the best" programmers who are not only programmers but a musician as well."
 
 
 
1. Here
 
 
 
 
2013/12/19 08:09:50
Splat
nyogisanz
Oh by the way CakeAlexS, if I am not mistaken I read you in one of the forums that you're planning to purchase recent NI complete Series or have already bought it. Is it worth the money? I am considering also getting one but in some of the forums they say just buy the things you like . I for myself is kind of interested with the massive, kontak thingy. Do you know where can I buy this cheaper hehe? ;) Also may I ask what is the notation software you are using. Hoping to read a reply from you soon



I've got it as part of the cyber Monday deals. It's not cheap even as part of a cyber Monday/Black Friday sale. That's the time to buy it. I'm not sure when the next sale is on (others may help here), but right now the price is double what I paid. I bought a Maschine with it as it was cheaper as part of a bundle... well not cheaper... just made more sense as a crossgrade.
 
Hope this helps...
2013/12/19 08:51:16
codamedia
cowboydan
Now that protools is on a level playing field, meaning all daws working in the computer without the circuit boards, they also have a lot of work to do. The last poll into the daw world put sonar in third place behind FL and Ableton and left protools at 2% of the voting. If this is the magestic daw you are talking about then I really think you need to learn how to swim, because protools is sinking fast.

Pro Tools 11 still comes in an HD format. They only put themselves on a level playing field with other offerings, not their flagship.
 
I'm not a ProTools advocate by any means, but you are misinformed if you think it is sinking because an internet popularity contest shows it at 2%. All that poll shows is that not many PT users visit that site :) PT is still used by many, if not most of the major recording studio's around the world. When they don't use ProTools, they'll have LOGIC or DP, not FL Studio.
 
The "home studio/project studio" market is NOT where ProTools aims to be ... It is still the STUDER of the recording world.  (Google "STUDER 24" if you don't know what that reference is)
2013/12/19 08:54:14
Keith Albright [Cakewalk]
We have an amazing team of developers and test engineers, marketing team, etc..  And... let's see how many are musicians and also use the product?
Actually most of the company.  
 
I've been here 10 years and we've been 'steeping' up our game continually.  We take quality seriously as evidenced by the infrastructure we built to capture faults and report them right away when they occur in the application.
As far as developers, we have a very thorough process we put candidates through and we are seeking the best.
 
Our mission statement in development is to deliver complete, solid features.  
If you have particular issues/questions/comments/etc. please contact support and they'll be more than happy to assist.
 
Keith
 
 
2013/12/19 09:03:38
Splat
Which reminds me, I know lots of people who were musicians or ex engineers who ended up in IT. Later when the world of DAW took over they attempted to reel back in their past profession. I'm one of them. Better get my CV out, but I suspect Keith Richards may have crossed the post first...
2013/12/19 09:06:17
SuperG
I think you'll probably find that what separates development on things like Pro Tools as compared to Sonar is the available budget

 
+1
 
And with that, I think everyone here should be damn proud of our cakewalk developers and Sonar. It ain't easy being a developer on a small team - it means each individual is responsible for a wider scope of work which requires a wider understanding of the systems involved. As I understand, most of them are musicians of a sort, so they are likely somewhat understanding of the fact that most of you are bunch of Divas where nothing is never enough....


2013/12/19 10:41:03
dubdisciple
I think it is hard to make an apples and apples comparison of stability when it comes to products targeting different budgets.  Mentioning how stable Pro Tools is, fails to mention that the overall configuration of the computer and other hardware is likely more stable too.  The most stable Pro tools systems are going to be on turnkey systems built specifically for pro tools. The expense of developing plugins for protools weeds out the riff-raff of unstable plugins. There is no plethora of AAX freebies or even low budget AAX makers. When you get down to the level of someone placing pro tools on their laptop they also use for social media, balancing budget, netflix, gaming etc and $200 interface that stability difference goes out the window.  Logic tends to be more stable because the same company that makes the hardware makes the software and don't have account for infinite computer configurations. Apple tends to eliminate the issue of even accounting for different versions of it's own operating system by simply limiting (or eliminating)  how backwards compatible the software is.  Apple simply does not care if you want to run Logic X on the OS you got 4 years ago.
 
2013/12/19 10:46:10
cowboydan
codamedia
cowboydan
Now that protools is on a level playing field, meaning all daws working in the computer without the circuit boards, they also have a lot of work to do. The last poll into the daw world put sonar in third place behind FL and Ableton and left protools at 2% of the voting. If this is the magestic daw you are talking about then I really think you need to learn how to swim, because protools is sinking fast.

Pro Tools 11 still comes in an HD format. They only put themselves on a level playing field with other offerings, not their flagship.
 
I'm not a ProTools advocate by any means, but you are misinformed if you think it is sinking because an internet popularity contest shows it at 2%. All that poll shows is that not many PT users visit that site :) PT is still used by many, if not most of the major recording studio's around the world. When they don't use ProTools, they'll have LOGIC or DP, not FL Studio.
 
The "home studio/project studio" market is NOT where ProTools aims to be ... It is still the STUDER of the recording world.  (Google "STUDER 24" if you don't know what that reference is)


I understand some of the things you are saying and still dont agree.
Protools still comes in a HD format and the price is unbelieveable. Also take into concideration that most pro tool users have learned the daw and know how it works. When I look around I see a great diminishing trend of studios and a lot of people are building home studio's.
protools hd is way too expensive and the alternate pro tools le is just a shell of what studios are using.
Daws are catching up in rapid tempo leaving pro tools at a standstill. Protools only had the edge with being the first on the market with their daw and were lucky enough to build circuit boards for the daw. Nowadays you can get the circuit boards made at a fraction of what they would have cost then. But now the computers are so much better that it is not the hd version that makes a difference.
2013/12/19 10:51:53
Splat
I dread to say it, but in reality the subscription model is taking over. So is renting of software. Check out Adobe's new software for instance (something I'm just totally incompatible with). With Pro Tools not only can you buy, but you can rent plugins. Software now has stores built into their products (Pro Tools, iTunes, Google Play Store, Windows 8 etc) in order to capture their customers. Patches get automatically applied via autoupdate... that sort of thing. Cake hasn't really touched the surface of all this yet (and right now I don't care, but it's going to happen, you know it. Auto update would be good though).
2013/12/19 10:58:27
mmorgan
>>  A cake Baked Well?
 
Well and truly baked I would say.
 
Regards,
 
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