Hi, I’m using the Alesis DM10 with Sonar 7 and here’s an anomaly I’ve noticed that I can't seem to stop from happening.
 
When I go to adjust the pan on a track in Sonar it is affecting the pan in the DM10 of the last instrument I’ve note chased to.

For instance, when I note chase to the hihat its pan changes within the DM10 when I change it on it’s Sonar track.

So basically, whatever instrument is active for editing within the DM10. its pan changes to whatever the sequencer’s track pan is.

I have disabled remote control in Sonar, I have turned off the DM10 program change, I have tried setting different midi channels to no avail. The DM10’s last note chased instrument’s pan still is affected by Sonar’s track pan.

The only work around I can see is, before I start my sequence, I need to note chase to an instrument who’s pan is set to where the sequencer’s is set. Currently I’ll chase to the snare because I want it centered and being that is where it is set on the sequencer track, because the DM10 doesn’t or isn’t supposed to respond to cc10 (pan).

My question is, I need to be able to setup my pans in the DM10 and not have them being changed by the track pan in Sonar. How do I stop the sequencer’s pan setting from affecting the DM10’s last note chased instrument’s pan?

Thanks in advance!

My best guess is it's just receiving a MIDI pan event and responding to it as designed. But because you're in instrument-edit mode, it's only affecting the currently-selected instrument. If you're actually trying to pan the whole kit, you could always do that in the audio track after recording, rather than specifying the pan (or automating pan) in the MIDI track. Or, pan the individual voices at the module itself and don't set up any pan actions in SONAR.
 
 
 

Hi, thanks for the response.

The odd thing is that the DM10 does not, or isn't supposed to respond to pan cc10. Instead they have set it up to use NRPN 62 LSB 14-114, so this is telling me that Sonar sends NRPN 62 data when adjusting the track pan.
 
Also, whether I'm in edit mode or not, the last active instrument's pan is being affected by Sonar's track pan position. This is true when I change kits on the DM10 and have not selected or note chased to an instrument for editing. Whenever I hit play, the last selected DM10 instrument is jumping to whatever the pan is on the sequencer track.
 
Is there a way to tell Sonar or the DM10 to stop sending/receiving NRPNs? Or is there another solution?

The only way SONAR would be sending an NRPN is if it was recorded with your performance. You should be able to locate it in the event list (eliminate everything from the list except NRPNs to make it easier to find, as there may be more than one) and then delete it, or filter it out using the MIDI event filter plugin.

Without the sequence playing, when I move the pan slider on any track who's output port is assigned to the DM10, the pan of the active instrument in the DM10 changes. I do not need to play the sequence. It is the track pan slider sending something that the DM10 is hearing. It does it on an empty track so it isn't recorded data.

I am just guessing that the track pan slider in Sonar sends NRPN data, based on the DM10 published midi implementation stating it does not see cc10 but uses NRPN 62 for its pan.
 
Hmmmm...

Hmmm, indeed. It's unlikely that SONAR's sending NRPNs for panning, since NRPNs are by definition instrument-specific. Those events would have no meaning to any other instrument other than the DM10 or one of its sibling products.
 
Even though the module isn't supposed to be responding to cc10, I'd want to verify that through experimentation. The easiest way to do that would be to:
1. manually create a sequence via the PRV with no panning
2. verify that no panning occurs in the instrument
3. insert some CC10 automation, and observe whether pan action occurs in the instrument
4. use the MIDI Event Filter plugin to specifically remove CC10 events from the data stream

Hi, and thank you! By doing the test you mention, I have confirmed that the DM10 does indeed respond to cc10 pan, even though it is undocumented. The affected instrument in the DM10 is the one that is currently active. On startup it is the kick.
 
So now I guess my question is, is there a way to tell Sonar's track pan slider not to send cc10 on sequence start? If not, assuming track pan is centered, then before sequence play, DM10 users will need to make sure that the active internal instrument is one in which you want a centered pan position.
 
 

The MIDI track's pan slider must send CC10, else it wouldn't do anything at all.
 
Are you using a Simple Instrument Track? If so, that could be part of the confusion. Split it into separate MIDI and audio tracks, and then use the audio track's pan control rather than the MIDI track's pan.

Hi, I guess I'm missing something, its a basic midi track I recorded using the DM10 Studio drum kit. Like midi tracks do, the track triggers sounds from a source and the source is the DM10. There is no audio associated with it.

Is this "Split it into separate MIDI and audio tracks" something doable in Sonar 7 or is it a feature in later versions?
 
As far as I know, I have only two types of tracks to record and playback from, audio OR midi. A midi track doesn't have an audio track unless its a soft synth, which the DM10 is not. Thanks!

Ah, sorry, I forgot you were in SONAR 7. Simple Instrument Tracks weren't yet an option at 7. They came along in version 8, I think.
 
OK, I've got a better picture now...you're driving the DM10 off a MIDI track. The only audio at this point is what's coming out of your amplifier. No audio's been recorded into SONAR yet.
 
It would appear that you simply cannot use panning on the MIDI track at this stage. You have no choice but to leave the pan slider in the center. And really, I can't see any reason why that wouldn't be OK.
 
I assume, however, that at some point you do intend to record the drums and make them part of the song. (Unless, of course, you're only planning to use the MIDI track live or for composition or jamming.) When that time comes, you'll record the audio outputs of the DM10 to an audio track. At that point, the MIDI track is no longer needed, you'll be working with audio and you'll be free to pan away to your heart's content. (Use the Channel Tools plugin, though, not the pan slider - assuming you'll be recording in stereo.)