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2009/03/14 11:54:01
g_randybrown

ORIGINAL: tazman

Is Vegas prosumer or capable of professional editing (if that makes any sense)?

I have made my living with it for many years doing two weekly TV shows that ran on regional PBS and CBS , several documentaries, and boatloads of TV ads and corporate work. See CrystalClearNM.com for more info and sample work.
I will say though if I were to start all over today I would be tempted to buy the whole Adobe suite (with Premiere, photoshop,etc) as they integrate very well together from what I've heard...but then Vegas is very solid and intuitive as mentioned above.

Good luck,
Randy
2009/03/14 12:03:05
fitzj
Go for vegas easy to work with.
2009/03/14 12:20:35
jcschild
in order of quality and ability including full size films

Avid <----- a pita and requires $14k for any serious film work stilll very buggy on 64bit
Adobe Production suite flawless in 64
Final Cut <----equal to adobe the fan bios would debate this as usual true 64 bit is non existant until snow leopard
Vegas

Vegas is far easier to learn, less expensive it is very powerful and has alot of features the others have. it is not by any means more powerful than the adobe suite.
it is better than just premiere is some sense. (Burn DVD from the time line is one) but its titling lacks that of others.

Vegas looks more like an audio GUI. flawless in 64 bit with 8.1.

unless you are doing full feature film get Vegas!



2009/03/14 12:23:23
tazman
The use will be for music videos and film production.
Scott - when you say "unless you are doing full feature film...". Why is vegas at the bottom for this category?

Thanks,
2009/03/14 15:49:24
Progmatist
I use Premier Elements, which is much friendlier than its big brother Premier. The main reason I chose Premier over Vegas was its ability to import a greater variety of video formats. Plus, if you plan on posting video to Youtube, Premier Elements makes it very easy to export video as .flv...Adobe basically owns the flash format.
2009/03/14 15:56:27
Roflcopter
when you say "unless you are doing full feature film...". Why is vegas at the bottom for this category?


Because it has to compete with a bit more than only Premiere. Production Studio also has AfterEffects, and even Photoshop is used sometimes on video files, plus ofcourse Audition/Soundbooth. All that stuff is pretty integrated, and ultimately blows anything that Vegas can offer away. And you could still *expand* immensely on that, even. That's pretty serious software.
2009/03/14 16:00:39
AT
vegas can do just about everything you need to do. There are also plug-ins for video available for even more, if you need to.

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2009/03/14 16:51:38
WDI
Vegas is definitely the best bang for the buck. However, I use Premier. Though you could probably create a similar looking project in either, Premier's tools are far superior IMO. I've also had a decent amount of exposure to Final Cut while taking classes at a university. Final Cut and Premier seem to be set up fairly similar. Vegas is definitely different, not that that's bad. Since Final Cut only works on a Mac, I won't mention it. As far as Avid is concerned, it has a great reputation, but I don't have any personal experience using Avid. So I'll just talk about Vegas and Premier.

It's been a while since I used Vegas so I could be wrong about some of these features...

In a Premier project a timeline is an object, you can have as many timelines as you want in a project and nest them. Therefore, you can easily break up a project into specific parts, each on their own timeline and just nest each of these parts into a final timeline, all in one project. This makes for a professional and easy workflow. All the timelines are available in tabs in the same project. I believe Vegas supports nesting of projects now, but the implementation to me seems very lacking in comparison. It means you have to work on each piece of the larger project using many smaller projects.

Both Vegas and Premier support key frames for manipulating parameter automation. However, Vegas's implementation totally blows in my opinion. They are difficult to work with and are totally unorganized.

Premier’s tool set is very organized and easy to use. For instance if you want to stretch a piece of video to fit into a specific time slot, just click the tool and drag the end of the clip into place. Done. It's very difficult to do some simple things like this in Vegas. By default clip looping is turned on in Vegas, which can make working with clips a pain, so in this instance you would have to create a subclip and guess at changing the playback speed to fit the clip. Almost impossible do as I mentioned with Premier.

I could go on about the list of tool comparisons but I don't want to try and think of all of them off the top of my head and I think you get the idea. It took me a while to come to these conclusions. It wasn't like I spent an hour using each program and determined I like Premier better. It was over years of using them.

Again, this is just my opinion and like I said, it's been a while since using Vegas so things may have changed considerably. Vegas is definitely a good program, and like I said the best bang for the buck. I personally like the tools in Premier. Also Premiers integration with the other Adobe products is very good, like in Adobe Creative Suite. However, it is very expensive and may not be necessary for what you need.
2009/03/14 17:08:14
Cookie Jarvis
Premiere from a technical standpoint, Vegas from an ease of use standpoint. If I ever got a Mac I would like to try out Final Cut Pro, but it's not enough for me to shell out that kind of money for one app. But who knows? :)

Bill
2009/03/14 17:46:58
DaneStewart
I have all 3.

My choice to work in is PREMIER.

VEGAS is easy and cheaper, but PREMIER gives me more of the pro results I need with certain post tasks, and integration to A.E. and Soundbooth, and ENCORE etc.. so I end up using PREMIER when I have a choice.

Final Cut Pro is very similar to PREMIER as some of the same people were involved in their creation...BUT F.C.P. does not automatically remove pulldown on import of 24P material, so I choose AGAIN to start with PREMIER.

Final Cut Studio Pro Bundle is VERY full featured and absolutely professional, the only drawback being the need for a MAC, and then having to go back and forth between two computers.

AS FOR PREMIER BEING COMPLICATED:
Man, honestly I think SONAR is way more complex than PREMIER...so if you can learn SONAR, PREMIER should be no problem.
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