Can Vegas to what AE does as well with effects?

No, not really. Posted this earlier - check the vids as well.

http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/917320#917435

Taz,

After Effects is specialized for working in great detail on shorter video clips.

I can't speak for Rofl but usually one assembles the clips made in AE in another app like Vegas, Premiere or Final Cut. Comparing Vegas to After Effects is not a clear comparison however comparing Premiere, Final Cut and Vegas integration with After Effects projects IS a fair comparison.

best regards,
mike

This thing is deviating from the original question a bit - but interesting nonetheless. If you are sure that your needs are relatively simple and fixed, buy Vegas. If you're not so sure, maybe think the whole thing through as a much bigger 'career' move than just buying an app.

I will be using SONAR for the music production side of things. The current goal is to edit music videos we will be shooting for the songs we have. Eventually we plan on creating short films and get more and more involved into video production. Since I already own a lot of Adobe's software, I'm leaning towards the Adobe suite. Overall it seems to provide all the tools necessary, but I'm still researching this.

Thanks again for everyone's suggestions. You have managed to confuse me even more (just kidding!!!).

ORIGINAL: John

The main reason I said Vegas is more powerful is it is as it comes out of the box. Premiere is no where near as powerful out of the box. Yes with addons it is very powerful. But 999 for After Effects plus 799 for Premiere will get more tools then in Vegas but is that the question the OP asked? Then one would probably add third party addons. Premiere is a fine program but to me its way over priced and is lacking many of the tools that come standard in Vegas. However its up to the end user to decide but one must be fair when comparing the two apps. BTW Vegas can have addons too.

I'd have to disagree that Vegas is more powerful "out of the box". What specific features are you talking about? I think there is some confusion. For the money Vegas is a full featured powerful video editing application but I have never found it to be more powerful than Premier as a stand alone application in any regards, but rather the other way around. Premier just happens to integrate well with some of Adobes other products and that's a plus.

As far as After Effects is concerned, it is not meant to be a video editing application, but rather a motion graphics application. You would never edit a full lenth movie in After Effects. After Effects renders previews to RAM and is meant for short clip editing, like mike_mccue stated. Think of After Effects like an effects bin on steroids. Great for working with 2D graphics as far as motion, compositing, keying, motion in a 3D space, special effects, etc. However, that being said, RAM is large and cheap now a days so it's not impossible.

I'd have to disagree that Vegas is more powerful "out of the box". What specific features are you talking about? I think there is some confusion. For the money Vegas is a full featured powerful video editing application but I have never found it to be more powerful than Premier as a stand alone application in any regards, but rather the other way around. Premier just happens to integrate well with some of Adobes other products and that's a plus.

I have played with Premiere and I have Premiere Elements. I found it had a lot of good things but not to the degree that Vegas does. Sorry if that is not how you see it. Plus Vegas supports my Mackie Control Premiere doesn't. Much of what Vegas does is through FX and is rather neat in how versatile that is. I do believe it is way more intuitive to use Vegas then is Premiere. But We have choices here and its good that we do.

Personally, I don't care which application someone favours. But to make a statement that "Premiere is no where near as powerful out of the box" is just totally untrue, misleading and overly biased for no reason.

Much of what Vegas does is through FX and is rather neat in how versatile that is.

And that is different then Premier or Final Cut, or any other video editing application?

Vegas Vegas Vegas! It's what I use, and I love it.

Personally, I don't care which application someone favours. But to make a statement that "Premiere is no where near as powerful out of the box" is just totally untrue, misleading and overly biased for no reason.

You should try it and see if I misspoke.

Post #18 this thread.

ORIGINAL: WDI

Vegas is definitely the best bang for the buck. However, I use Premier. Though you could probably create a similar looking project in either, Premier's tools are far superior IMO. I've also had a decent amount of exposure to Final Cut while taking classes at a university. Final Cut and Premier seem to be set up fairly similar. Vegas is definitely different, not that that's bad. Since Final Cut only works on a Mac, I won't mention it. As far as Avid is concerned, it has a great reputation, but I don't have any personal experience using Avid. So I'll just talk about Vegas and Premier.

It's been a while since I used Vegas so I could be wrong about some of these features...

In a Premier project a timeline is an object, you can have as many timelines as you want in a project and nest them. Therefore, you can easily break up a project into specific parts, each on their own timeline and just nest each of these parts into a final timeline, all in one project. This makes for a professional and easy workflow. All the timelines are available in tabs in the same project. I believe Vegas supports nesting of projects now, but the implementation to me seems very lacking in comparison. It means you have to work on each piece of the larger project using many smaller projects.

Both Vegas and Premier support key frames for manipulating parameter automation. However, Vegas's implementation totally blows in my opinion. They are difficult to work with and are totally unorganized.

Premier’s tool set is very organized and easy to use. For instance if you want to stretch a piece of video to fit into a specific time slot, just click the tool and drag the end of the clip into place. Done. It's very difficult to do some simple things like this in Vegas. By default clip looping is turned on in Vegas, which can make working with clips a pain, so in this instance you would have to create a subclip and guess at changing the playback speed to fit the clip. Almost impossible do as I mentioned with Premier.

I could go on about the list of tool comparisons but I don't want to try and think of all of them off the top of my head and I think you get the idea. It took me a while to come to these conclusions. It wasn't like I spent an hour using each program and determined I like Premier better. It was over years of using them.

Again, this is just my opinion and like I said, it's been a while since using Vegas so things may have changed considerably. Vegas is definitely a good program, and like I said the best bang for the buck. I personally like the tools in Premier. Also Premiers integration with the other Adobe products is very good, like in Adobe Creative Suite. However, it is very expensive and may not be necessary for what you need.

All that I'm saying is if your going to make generalized statements, at least try and back them up with substantial examples.