ORIGINAL: tazman

I have read of issues wirh premier dealing with avi's and about Premier being slower than Vegas. Is Premier more resource hungry as far as video card, CPU, etc? Does it really have issues with some video formats?

We're trying to purchase a software solution that will allow us to grow. I like Premier so far because it seems to provide the largest amount of tools that may in the future come into play, but I am concerned about some of the issues I have read about it (stated above). Is it just a particular user's issue or are these known issues with the application?

Thanks,

Vegas vs anything...

1) Vegas is less demanding on a video card, i can runit on a laptop with onboard video. on the other hand i can run it on a system with a 285 in it and it wont be much faster.
where the vid card would help would be layers. i think Vegas is by far the slowest for renders regardless of what system its on.

2)Avid, Adobe, Edius, Liquid (the first to do GPU processing, but i would not touch it now) all will use the video card and now with CS4 Adobe has Cuda enabled.
with these the faster the video the better. (to a point)
it also depends on you 3d titling, what effects how many layers etc.
render are equal to the power you give it.

CPU and HDD are the primary render delay areas (with video falling in there somewhat)
you should use seperate drives to render to . never render to the same drive you are working on raided or not.
raid 0 i feel is an absolute must for any pro level editing (time is money)

so ideally very fast system either core i7 or Xeon
os drive
minimum pair of sata raid 0 for work/capture
minimum pair of sata raid 0 for render to.
if uncompressed real HDD things change rapidly depending on format/codec.

as a musician who occasionally edits stuff, i really like vegas, the timeline behaviour is perfection for me.

but the film people i write music for use avid :) but i am guessing it is alot like music... getting a good source recording is more important that what scissor you chop it up with.

Well, I finally got Adobe Premier and love it!!! Next, getting music form SONAR into Adobe, or video from Adobe into SONAR. Not sure which direction yet.

ORIGINAL: tazman
Well, I finally got Adobe Premier and love it!!! Next, getting music form SONAR into Adobe, or video from Adobe into SONAR. Not sure which direction yet.

Which version of Premiere did you get? Elements or Pro?
If Pro, you can (finally) export audio as OMF files for use in other hosts. Not sure if elements does this.

I've actually decided, as of yesterday, to upgrade to Premiere Pro CS4 (I'm on 2 now).

I skipped version 3 because they didn't make it 64bit, so I saw little reason to move from 2.
However, CS4 is 64bit, exports OMF (though I'm not sure how this works yet... it's a first attempt on their part), Blu-Ray in Encore, imports my Final Cut projects, background batch encoding (which, combined with 64bit and multiple cores would actually be usable), simple integration with my other CS4 apps, dynamic link with encore (very useful feature... no more rendering for tiny changes), etc...

Can't wait.

- zevo

CS3 was 64 bit well sorta. you could install on 64bit os in 32bit mode and use a full 4gig ram per app. PS, PP, AE.
we have been shipping vista 64 for about a yr now for most or video boxes. still was better than just XP.

CS4 Production Premium, I got a great deal through Scott at ADK, as usual

Depending on what you want to do, Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9 offers a heck of a lot of bang for the buck. I have it installed on my DAW PC along with S7PE and they play together very well.

If you do decide to go with Vegas, smartflix.com has some great tutorial DVD's that you can rent for cheap.

ORIGINAL: tazman
CS4 Production Premium, I got a great deal through Scott at ADK, as usual

Ooh... very cool.
Solid suite, and dynamic link looks like it would be a good thing to have.

My wife and I use Design Premium, and I was thinking of getting Production Premium too. Unfortunately, I have Premiere, Encore and After Effects as single licenses, so I'm unsure what my upgrade path would be.
Since there is some overlap between Production and Design Premium, I'm thinking the upgrade cost to it is higher (and somewhat redundant) than just upgrading Premiere and After Effects. Bummer than I won't get Dynamic Link between Premiere Pro and After Effects in that scenario... or Sound Booth... but it's $500 more to just get those two things (and Sound Booth I don't technically need anyway).

Ah well.
I'll probably call them this afternoon and see what they can do (if anything). I essentially have the same apps that came in the old Production Bundles, just as separate licenses. Maybe they'll cut me a deal.

Have fun with it.
It's a LOT of stuff to learn.

- zevo

Any opinions on which has better DVD authoring (Menu creation flexibility)? I currently use Premiere Elements 3.0 and am disappointed in that. I would like to change color on buttons, multi-line menu items, vary the amount of menu items on each page, text animation, etc. Or is neither designed for this? My actual video editing needs are pretty minimal.

Compared to Sony DVD Architect, I've found Adobe Encore the easiest to use, most flexible and integration with Photoshop, Premier and After Effects top notch. Of course this is just my opinion. Personally, I find DVD menu authoring specifications pretty rigid in general and welcome Blue Ray menus which sound a lot more flexible. Though I don't have any experience with Blue Ray menu creation. However, Adobe does DVD authoring just fine. Encore supports Photoshop layers. You can create all your buttons in Photoshop including layers and naming conventions and they pop right into Encore. Also, you can export all your markers out of Premier along with the video right into Encore. I can't remember if this is possible with Sony, might be. One thing I found very limiting about Sony DVD Architict is that the timeline is connected to each video and you can not combine videos to form one continuous segment. In Encore the timeline is a blank object and you can freely place as many videos on a timeline and trim the beginning and end of each video and adjust the markers. Basically, when you author the DVD it will treat this timeline as one continuous segment of video, as if you exported it out of the video editing application this way. This is helpful if you need to make adjustment to portions of the video without having to render a long segment again.