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2013/12/05 22:03:24
mettelus
Bump!
 
Sorry about that... I wanted to bump this up and post to it as well... I downloaded your cwp this morning but had only 10 minutes to play with it so far... but your point is very obvious now that I see the file.
 
I was just getting ready to check that cwp more and couldn't find the thread!
2013/12/05 23:08:54
mettelus
Okay... first... when I do something similar to what you are doing, I will often insert a soft synth and then shift-drag (to lock timing) the track of concern into that soft synths MIDI track (rather than having TTS-1 route to it, since MIDI data in the track will fire a synth off regardless of channel). I see your track 8 is routed to Dimension Pro, so played with that a bit, and the more I played with it, the more confused I became. Inserting Dimention Pro works fine up until the point that you assign the TTS-1 to drive it... then it goes offline (completely). So I inserted another, shift-dragged the MIDI note data into Dim Pro, and it went offline again!
 
So, I created a new project, and threw in Dim Pro, assigned it to M1 Organ and copied/pasted the MIDI data from your project. As soon as I did this, Dim Pro went offline again! In my frustration, I then added soft synths, one after the other, and shift-dragged the MIDI data down, and every one played perfectly fine. Here are the ones I used:
 
Z3TA 2.1
Korg Wavestation
Lounge Lizard
Addictive Keys
Rapture
True Pianos
Pentagon
 
All played fine!!...
 
Now here is the ultimate kicker... I insert Dim Pro a second time (track 9)... shift-drag the MIDI data one last time... and it PLAYS!! Ugh... so I scratch my head... shift-drag it back up to the first instance again, and "nothing." (In fact, the track 1 instance of Dim Pro is unresponsive to any MIDI inputs at all). Shift-drag back and forth a few times... Track 1 - nothing... Track 9 - fine...
 
Dimension Pro does have some weird behavior going on here... still scratching my head wondering "what" though.
 
Edit: Submitted this to Cakewalk as CWBRN-22211 and linked this post.
 
Edit2: I removed the leading data from this MIDI track, but cannot remember where in the process I did this. My bigger "concern" is that those notes (if Dim Pro is ever played) put Dim Pro in a "dead state" and I have not seen/found any way to recover it from such.
2013/12/06 00:51:39
AlChuck
Wow, thanks for doing all that, mettelus! You rock! I'm very glad to know it's not just me. I was beginning to think I was crazy or something.
 
We'll see if the folks at Cakewalk chime in with anything after they check out your report.
2013/12/06 01:11:01
mettelus
No problem... I am actually glad you posted this... I *have* seen this myself in the past, but immediately shrugged it off and found another work-around to get what I needed done (i.e. grabbed a comparable synth). It is significantly different to be staring at "no other options" and trying to make it work.
 
Edit: Thank you for being patient enough to (wait and) post your cwp!! That is very helpful to prove it is not a "this machine vs that machine" issue!
2013/12/06 09:50:15
scook
Here is what I found.
 
There was control data at the beginning of track 8. I went into the Event List and removed the three events before the first note.
 
Track 8 was pointed to an instance of DimPro assigned to an instrument track. I deleted that synth and track. Added a new instance of DimPro with an audio track only. Pointed track 8 to that instance of DimPro.
 
It works OK now.
 
So there was data at the front of the MIDI track and a routing problem causing the track not to play properly. You might also want to add a master bus to route the audio tracks to instead of going directly to the interface.
 
2013/12/06 12:10:24
AlChuck
Among the things I tried was removing those first three events, and for me, it had no impact... but I didn't delete the track and insert Dim Pro again.
 
The three events are probably SysEx events. I often find MIDI files with those at the beginning but never really had any trouble with any synths because of them.
2013/12/06 12:15:58
scook
It wasn't simply deleting and reinserting DimPro, it was deleting the instrument track and adding an instance of DimPro with an audio track.
2013/12/07 09:30:07
MarioD
Thanx scook for figuring this out. I was working on the file also and did what Alchuck did by deleting those lines but I did not think of deleting the instrument track. Good find.
2013/12/09 12:43:33
AlChuck
This weekend I took an existing MID file, added an instance of Dimension Pro and this time selected just one output audio track for it. Assigned a MIDI track to it and it played just fine. Then I added an instance of TTS-1, again selecting just one audio output track for it. Assigned a MIDI track to it and it played just fine. But even better, the Dimension Pro also played with it.
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