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2013/11/19 17:24:55
robert_e_bone
I meant Mustang Sally in the generic sense, representing the general simplicity of much of what is out there, in terms of sequencing complexity.
 
No judgment of that whole set of songs - just an observation on the lack of difficulty in sequencing that sort of song versus perhaps Emerson Lake and Palmer Pirates.
 
It is nice when someone else is aware of folks like Allan Holdsworth, by the way, and I wanted to say thanks for listening to any of that sort of stuff.  I am a keyboard player without a band to play that kind of stuff out, so it is at least cheerful that someone else knows anything about that vein of music.
 
Bob Bone
2013/11/19 22:13:42
stevec
Long time Holdsworth fan here... going back to the 70s (I have the Tempest album on vinyl!) in addition to UK, solo albums, etc.   But I don't recall "Mac Man"...?
 
Also a big Bruford fan as well - one of my biggest drummer influences.
 
2013/11/20 02:15:20
robert_e_bone
stevec
Long time Holdsworth fan here... going back to the 70s (I have the Tempest album on vinyl!) in addition to UK, solo albums, etc.   But I don't recall "Mac Man"...?
 
Also a big Bruford fan as well - one of my biggest drummer influences.
 


I am in the process of building all-midi versions of Fainting in Coils and In the Dead of Night.  I have all parts done except for the guitar leads, and when finished with a midi version of Steve Morse's Night Meets Light and Jean Luc Ponty's Mirage, I will circle back and finish up the Fainting in Coils and In the Dead of Night tunes.  (I am a keyboard player).
 
I have seen Holdsworth many many times, and met he and his band a couple of times.
 
Mac Man comes off an album called Sand.  Here is a link to it on YouTube:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BOkgNkkUEE
 
Enjoy, 
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/11/20 04:36:43
ramtin
Atsuko
Ramtin,
assuming you want to really do this job, give a look at this: Remixing and Remastering with R-MIX SONAR – A Case Study by Noel Borthwick: http://blog.cakewalk.com/remixing-and-remastering-with-r-mix-sonar-a-case-study-by-noel-borthwick/
Hope it gives you some ideas...


Dear Atsuko,
Thanks, for your helpful Reference.However, It was not regarding convert Audio file to MIDI Tracks, But,definitely,when,Noel Borthwick was going to do the Case Study,Many people believed that, it was not possible!
 
Regards,
Ramtin. 
2013/11/20 05:36:02
ramtin
Dear Friends,
When I reviewed the latest posts, I got that, they were more promising in compare with the initial posts. It can say that many of us are interested to rectify the challenge. Great!
I have to express some facts, which may help us, to look better at the project.
  1. We cannot wait till somebody from a company, provide us an application to convert Audio to Midi tracks, because business entities, works for earning money. And I do not thing that it would be attractive for them.
  2. I am an Accounting Manager, and music is not my occupation. I am also a keyboard player, not a very professional one. I recently use the music softwares, in order to rectify my requirements. Therefore I am not also professional in the field. Therefore I cannot finish the project by myself.
  3. This forum is full of Professional members who, at least, one time tried the same thing that I have posed in the tread. Now, Imagine all try to look at the subject together. What will happen? Till now that I am writing this post, the thread has been viewed 387 times.
I consider that 300 ones are interested on the Matter. Now imagine that, each one just spend 15 minutes per day to research about it. The result would be 300*15’=4500’ per day
Now visualize that anyone can convince just one of his friends to joint on the project. The result would be changed to 9,000’ per day which is equal to 150 h per day!!
 
Now you think how many days we needs to get the conclusion?
Regards
Ramtin
 
2013/11/20 10:21:48
stevec
robert_e_bone
stevec
Long time Holdsworth fan here... going back to the 70s (I have the Tempest album on vinyl!) in addition to UK, solo albums, etc.   But I don't recall "Mac Man"...?
 
Also a big Bruford fan as well - one of my biggest drummer influences.
 


I am in the process of building all-midi versions of Fainting in Coils and In the Dead of Night.  I have all parts done except for the guitar leads, and when finished with a midi version of Steve Morse's Night Meets Light and Jean Luc Ponty's Mirage, I will circle back and finish up the Fainting in Coils and In the Dead of Night tunes.  (I am a keyboard player).
 
I have seen Holdsworth many many times, and met he and his band a couple of times.
 
Mac Man comes off an album called Sand.  Here is a link to it on YouTube:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BOkgNkkUEE
 
Enjoy, 
 
Bob Bone
 




Cool, I'll have to give it a listen!
 
FWIW, I used to know the solo to In The Dead Of Night in a former life, so may be able to transcribe some/most of it - I haven't done this type of thing in quite a while but I could give it a shot.   
 
 
2013/11/20 10:27:51
robert_e_bone
As much as we all hope for such a product, it is beyond the reach of current audio processing - even on a professional level.
 
There are countless posts on the web as to why this is the case.
 
I have nothing further to offer on this matter - in my opinion it simply cannot be done well enough to be usable.
 
Many companies have tried to do this.  It is the Holy Grail of pitch extraction. 
 
I will be backing out of this thread.
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/11/20 10:35:06
AT
All this begs the question - why?
 
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2013/11/20 10:47:57
John
ramtin
Dear Friends,
When I reviewed the latest posts, I got that, they were more promising in compare with the initial posts. It can say that many of us are interested to rectify the challenge. Great!
I have to express some facts, which may help us, to look better at the project.
  1. We cannot wait till somebody from a company, provide us an application to convert Audio to Midi tracks, because business entities, works for earning money. And I do not thing that it would be attractive for them.
  2. I am an Accounting Manager, and music is not my occupation. I am also a keyboard player, not a very professional one. I recently use the music softwares, in order to rectify my requirements. Therefore I am not also professional in the field. Therefore I cannot finish the project by myself.
  3. This forum is full of Professional members who, at least, one time tried the same thing that I have posed in the tread. Now, Imagine all try to look at the subject together. What will happen? Till now that I am writing this post, the thread has been viewed 387 times.
I consider that 300 ones are interested on the Matter. Now imagine that, each one just spend 15 minutes per day to research about it. The result would be 300*15’=4500’ per day
Now visualize that anyone can convince just one of his friends to joint on the project. The result would be changed to 9,000’ per day which is equal to 150 h per day!!
 
Now you think how many days we needs to get the conclusion?
Regards
Ramtin
 


I'm not sure if you are reading the same thread I am. Extracting MIDI from a song with any degree of accuracy is going to be very difficult.  Perhaps in the future it will be a normal thing to do but at present it is not. I think its clear that the consensus is that it is not a viable thing to do.
 
As far as throwing more people at it in order to spread the work around is concerned it would be far more productive to have people write the MIDI from scratch then have them try to convert audio to MIDI.
 
 
2013/11/20 16:10:49
ramtin
Hi, every body,
By chance, I found a video which shows, how it is possible in Sonar X1, to convert Audio to MIDI Drum Track .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHPDQCtYE2Q
Please Take a look on the video and leave your comments.
Regards 
Ramtin
 
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