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  • How can use sonar X1 to convert Audio/MP3 => GM 16 tracks file? (p.5)
2013/11/20 16:24:47
Kalle Rantaaho
There's nothing to comment, it's all in SONAR manual and that's been a routine for many many years for drums with Audio Snap, for example, as it is to convert monofonic instruments to MIDI, if they are simple and clean enough. Melodyne can even convert multitimbral sounds surprisingly well in some cases.
However, what you ask in your opening post is still not possible today.
2013/11/20 16:37:17
filtersweep
Really?? I rarely post but I do check in from time to time to gleen valuable advice available on the forum. Am I the only one who thinks that Ramtin is laughing his butt off at the hoops he has everyone jumping through trying to politely explain to him that what he is proposing is simply NOT POSSIBLE with current technology. If an English speaker proposed this (and I'm not convinced he isn't one) there would have been a couple of polite "no can do" responses and then it would have gotten ugly. I think you are a troll, Ramtin. If I'm wrong, and you are truly as utterly clueless as you seem, then take a hint. It's not freaking possible!
2013/11/20 17:08:14
dubdisciple
Ramtin..clean drums might be the easiest thing to extract. Unfortunately after that it gets murkier.
2013/11/20 21:27:23
John
filtersweep
Really?? I rarely post but I do check in from time to time to gleen valuable advice available on the forum. Am I the only one who thinks that Ramtin is laughing his butt off at the hoops he has everyone jumping through trying to politely explain to him that what he is proposing is simply NOT POSSIBLE with current technology. If an English speaker proposed this (and I'm not convinced he isn't one) there would have been a couple of polite "no can do" responses and then it would have gotten ugly. I think you are a troll, Ramtin. If I'm wrong, and you are truly as utterly clueless as you seem, then take a hint. It's not freaking possible!


That is not what this forum is about. Being polite is never wrong. No one has to post anything when they may think negative thoughts. Its just not necessary.  If you don't believe the OP or where he is from that is on you. The forum will continue to treat everyone with due respect.
 
 
2013/11/21 01:17:06
ramtin
Dear John and dear Sweetfilter,
Thanks a lot for your nice comments. Actually,I strongly respect to your professional knowledge as well as other members. I am never interested on disturbing anyone, or kidding and laughing at any posts.
As I have written In my profile, My nationality is Iranian and I leave in Iran. Therefore my native language is Persian.
Maybe, I can not use English language as well as you speak, But I can realize the comments which advises me "It is not possible". Just the things that I am fallowing on the thread is that Maybe, Maybe, Maybe By Co-thinking can we reach to a desire conclusion. I believe that the best conclusion comes from good Ideas. Let we see, maybe someone has had good Idea!
 
2013/11/21 01:51:00
bvideo
Let's take an accounting approach, based on some rough assumptions, all offered in the spirit of good humor or , and not saying it can't be done.
 
  1. The problem of generating midi from an arbitrary mp3 might be somewhere between 3 and 20 times as complicated as Melodyne.
  2. Melodyne is currently 126 megs of compressed binary.
  3. The compressed image might be approximately 1/4 executable, with the rest being graphics, symbols and OS overhead requirements.
  4. Compressed executable code might be compiled at a ratio of approximately 20 to 100 bytes per line of source code, average.
  5. A great programmer maybe could write somewhere between 10 and 100 lines of code per day, average, taking into account debugging, research, etc.
  6. Multiply software work by a factor of 3 for other workers for image generation, documentation, testing, infrastructure, etc.
  7. Number of working days a year, with holidays and a couple weeks of vacation: 240.
  8. Working MIDI cable, two to three weeks.
 
Certainly #5 is debatable, with some saying the best programmers achieve best results by deleting lines of code, not generating new ones. And maybe the 126000000/4 bytes of binary executable includes libraries previously developed by others; best not to duplicate the work of others. Really, all of the assumptions above are highly flexible, and all offered in play. And there could be some math misteaks.
 
Calculation of staff years to develop a program to convert an arbitrary mp3 program to MIDI:
  • optimistic: 3*3*(126000000/4)/(100*100*240) ~= 118 (roughly equivalent to 900 thousand people working 15' each one time, or 378 people dedicated to working 15' a day for 10 years).
  • pessimistic: 20*3*(126000000/4)/(20*10*240) ~= 39400 (roughly equivalent to 300 million people working 15' each one time, or 126000 people working diligently 15' a day for 10 years).
 
This doesn't take into account the time to wait for some genius to develop some appropriate technology. For example, the time between the introduction of the Fourier Transform and the general availability of the modern Fast Fourier Transform was somewhere around 160 years. The FFT is just one contributor to the internals of this project (though overclocked CPUs might make this factor less important).
 
I have put in my 15' for the day, and I enjoyed it. Best wishes to you, ramtin, for organizing this project.
 
Bill B.
 
 
2013/11/21 01:58:42
mettelus
bvideo
pessimistic: 20*3*(126000000/4)/(20*10*240) ~= 39400 (roughly equivalent to 300 million people working 15' each one time, or 126000 people working diligently 15' a day for 10 years).



AHA! So... If we give this to either China or India, we could have it completed in only 3-4 minutes!!
2013/11/21 02:19:18
ramtin
I really enjoyed of your kidding and got that how it is hard.
Thanks as ever Bvideo
2013/11/21 13:21:29
Atsuko
ramtin
Atsuko
Ramtin,
assuming you want to really do this job, give a look at this: Remixing and Remastering with R-MIX SONAR – A Case Study by Noel Borthwick: http://blog.cakewalk.com/remixing-and-remastering-with-r-mix-sonar-a-case-study-by-noel-borthwick/
Hope it gives you some ideas...


Dear Atsuko,
Thanks, for your helpful Reference.However, It was not regarding convert Audio file to MIDI Tracks, But,definitely,when,Noel Borthwick was going to do the Case Study,Many people believed that, it was not possible!
 
Regards,
Ramtin. 


Hi, Ramtin,
the case study presents ways to filter frequencies with R-Mix.  Then, you could separate into tracks and convert them to midi.  The way I say it, seems to be an easy job but, of course, you know you have a long road to drive until you find good results.  Good luck!
2013/11/21 13:36:10
dubdisciple
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