How many DAWs have an editable buss track? That was first incorporated in Sonar.  Please don't mention ones that came out after Sonar. They took the idea from it.

that involves using the keyboard........:rolleyes:

I think you again misunderstand. Using the keyboard is only one way. The middle mouse button will engage the HUD which allows you to click on the tool you want. You need to read the manual.

John

that involves using the keyboard........:rolleyes:

I think you again misunderstand. Using the keyboard is only one way. The middle mouse button will engage the HUD which allows you to click on the tool you want. You need to read the manual.

but you have to select in the edit filter what you want to edit..........I know about clicking the mose wheel...

the edit filter is like I want to do this now...in older versions of Sonar you could just do it.

Brandon mentions dexterity and bravery...??? perhaps I am just accurate with my mouse after relying on it 100% ....I could always grab an envelope node just by pointing and clicking......the extra step of telling Sonar what I want to do next bugs me....

Don't get me wrong - the smart tool is an improvement but the whole lack of mouse position context lets it down.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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I disagree with this approach. You shouldn't need to think, "ok now I'm going to edit" and then have the interface change it's buttons and tools for that process only to revert back when it's time to record. Today, people tend to record, edit, mix and produce simultaneously the UI and it's tools, etc should adapt to that workflow IMHO. And I don't think you should need a different toolset for each task.

You don't. The key phrase in himalaya's post was probably: "Click 'User', you get what you have chosen as your default User defined set.". It is a very powerful system and fully configurable. On of the default settings is "Power User" which shows all icons and toolbars. Another of the the default settings is "Easy" which, as the name implies, is easy to use. ;)

I know some won't agree and that's cool - this is just my own personal philosophy after a quarter century of using music software.

Just as ideas are easier to come up with than to implement, the elegance and use of a well implemented system is hard to convey in a short forum post. I think you would really enjoy the flexibility that this particular feature in Samplitude offers. If you watch the first minute of the Mouse Modes video on this page you will get an idea of how it works: http://www.samplitude.com...ideos/general.330.html

UnderTow

Brandon, are you saying that when you are recording a live band you also do indepth editing at the same time, or do mastering? You don't watch the peaks or concentrate on the session, you start editing, right?  I mean, when you record, do you really need to see the CD burning buttons? I don't think so. When you record, do you need to see the PRV
buttons, the automation buttons, tempo...etc. I don't think so.

Sonar does have an option to show various toolbars by using Views>Tollbars, but when I try to add a new toolbar to my custom one, then another, they are stacked up - taking more valuable screen space - they are not placed in the same line.

You shouldn't need to think, "ok now I'm going to edit"

So why are there specilised editing programes with a focus on editing? Surely, we don't need programs like Wavelab, Soundforge, Sequoia then.
When I do sample editing in Sonar, I deal with a well chosen set of tools, so yes, there are tasks which need a focused UI.

I suppose, Sonar does have what Samplitude has, however, the behaviour of the toolbars after selection needs to be more inteligent. The toolbars should fill next available space, and not be stacked up.

John


How many DAWs have an editable buss track? That was first incorporated in Sonar.

An editable bus track? What do you mean?

Please don't mention ones that came out after Sonar. They took the idea from it.

I am pretty sure there are developers out there that are hardly aware of Sonar and have probably never opened it. (Especially in Europe).

UnderTow

UnderTow

John


How many DAWs have an editable buss track? That was first incorporated in Sonar.

An editable bus track? What do you mean?

Please don't mention ones that came out after Sonar. They took the idea from it.

I am pretty sure there are developers out there that are hardly aware of Sonar and have probably never opened it. (Especially in Europe).

UnderTow

If you don't know what I'm talking about I don't know how to explain it to you. Buss track in the TV you know the thing that has a track next to a buss.

allenheresy


I want to take and rephrase what the OP said.
The interface is beautiful and clean, however it is not well managed or organized. In S8PE I have access to all the icons and tools I need, and the I dont feel cramped for workspace. In X1, I dont have any tools that I need and I am already running low on workspace. I really liked X1 for the day I had it installed... but it was not friendly for midi-work.

So, not cluttered, just bulky. If I could change anything on the program however, it would be to regain the functionality of 8PE with the beauty of X1. Just my $0.02.

What size monitor are you using and at what resolution?
 
I went from 2 19" monitors at 1200 x 768 (or whatever it was) and it looked bulky and I couldn't see the Pro Channel all the way, and now I have 2 23" monitors at 1920 x 1200 and it looks fantastic. I really like the new look and the way it works and I can't wait for X1b.

Twigman

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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a quick shift-click

that involves using the keyboard........:rolleyes:

Might I suggest a back-lit keyboard? I too like a dimly lit studio...so I got one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Sai...d-PK02AU/dp/B000H6AY6M

Best of both worlds.

I skipped a few pages in here but in regards to the OP I find the interface to be actually WAYYYY sparse. There's a lot of padding and whitespace, and far fewer controls visible at any time than there used to be. So in regards to that point I'd say it's actually completely the opposite.