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mike_mccue


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Excellent! It is hard to argue with these facts (although I am sure some will). And I so agree about the minimise maximise buttons. Cakewalk are quick to tell use about limited resources but they WASTE time on trying to reinvent something that does not in any way need reinventing and then come up with something that is actually inferior to the original design.

Having the minimise and maximise icons on the top right of a window is not only familiar to everyone having used Sonar for a while but is the standard for every well designed Windows application for decades. How many of you have accidentally clicked the Layers button when you wanted to minimise a track? The fact that the Layers button is a bunch of horizontal lines doesn't help. It adds to the confusion.

UnderTow

How many of you have accidentally clicked the Layers button when you wanted to minimise a track? The fact that the Layers button is a bunch of horizontal lines doesn't help.

Raises hand.
re.: layers....to be specific layers were vertical lines when not showing and horizontal when shown, in previous versions. (just throwing that out there). now it horizontal lines when not shown. why change this. for the sake of change? I dont know.. sometimes I feel like a beaten puppy. the console is worse. who thinks only 2 viewable sends is acceptable? Not I! I dont know if I should have brought that up.

mike_mccue


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That's very difficult to disagree with. I think all of these issues could and probably should be tweaked in the new UI. I don't see a downside to it other than the developers time to fix the cascade of UI issues that might result from fixing these issues. 


Great job, Mike. That type of thing is very helpful.

Thanks guys, I thought my little comparison screenshot was going to be ignored.

But Mike, I actually like track icons. When I have a lot of tracks going, I can assign nice distinguishing icons to them to easily see what's what.

And that shot was essentially a non-customized quickie default of both setups. I'd normally do some widget re-arrangement to make the layout even more useful for me in 8.5. No amount of re-arranging can save X1. The cramped, minimal spacing of X1 is hard coded.

One thing that wasn't pointed out was the change of the record button from 'R' to 'Red Dot', and automation read from 'RD' to 'R'. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to arm a track in X1 by pressing the 'R' button. Really bad change.

MSR are great choices for button labels. RDW was perhaps less so, but a better solution would have been to maintain MSR and make the automation buttons have a little squiggly 'automation' graphic along with RDW kinda like the old 'select envelopes with clips' button.

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Yeah!

Far too cluttered...

Attempting to get all of my necessary tools visible takes so much screen space that it leaves very little room to work... Cluttered is a "nice" word to describe it.... and all those extra areas for the new BIG-3 windows dividers.... Wasted space. the Inspector used to disappear when closed... Now it takes up almost a half inch of screen from top to bottom even when closed!!!

Keni

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But Mike, I actually like track icons. When I have a lot of tracks going, I can assign nice distinguishing icons to them to easily see what's what.

Sure but at the very least they could have done something like:



The Large Icon is only visible when the track is open. There is no need for the Small Icon AND the Big Icon.

UnderTow

mike_mccue


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You missed the phase button in 8.5.

One thing that wasn't pointed out was the change of the record button from 'R' to 'Red Dot', and automation read from 'RD' to 'R'. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to arm a track in X1 by pressing the 'R' button. Really bad change.

I am in total agreement on this one.  I've done the same thing.