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2011/01/27 12:40:27
Dave Modisette
The Large Icon is only visible when the track is open. There is no need for the Small Icon AND the Big Icon.
Good point and great idea.
2011/01/27 16:28:47
HumbleNoise
Both the small and large icons can be turned off and on from the 'views' menu. Track view 'show in header' for the small icon.
2011/01/27 16:29:45
neiby
HumbleNoise


Both the small and large icons can be turned off and on from the 'views' menu.


There you go again, coming in here spouting off reasonable and accurate suggestions. What is wrong with you??  ;)
2011/01/27 16:34:08
HumbleNoise
I have 3 or 4 different custom track views set up for each task. One for tracking with minimal data, one for MIDI that shows more relevant MIDI info, one that shows all. Still does not excuse those weird shortened names but I just work past it.
2011/01/27 17:32:09
FastBikerBoy
mike_mccue


FastBikerBoy


@mike_mccue

I also answered your questions (as a MCU user) here's a repost



mike_mccue
Can you access snap settings with your hardware controller? I really don't know so I am asking.


If I wanted to. I could program them to the MCU F keys. I personally don't I prefer to access them via the CB which pops up or down with a single keypress. Did I mention screensets?  


mike_mccue
Can you see when the snap settings change on you without warning?


I know when they are going to change. It's switching to the PRV that brings out that bug. I work round it by opening the PRV and then setting the snap-to. If you set the snap-to and then open the PRV it (the snap-to) will change to the PRV's snap-to setting. Of course if it's the same you won't notice anything.

I do take your point though and would rather the bug was fixed. X1b? Have I mentioned Screensets? 


mike_mccue
How would you set a loop? With the hotkey? How would you confirm what the loop start and end start times became?


Loop times are easily set with an MCU. Press the loop mode key, M1 + RW key sets start, M1 + FF key sets end. Turn loop on. Very quick. I can't remember the last time I set a loop using the mouse/comp keyboard.

A good control surface is worth it's weight in gold once it's been learnt. The BCF 2000 in Mackie mode is a great, cheap way of getting your feet wet......

Did I mention Screensets............. okay I've got my coat............


Let's cut to the chase...

Re Snap settings: Does your control surface have some form of text readout or do you rely on memory? Can I walk up to your controller and use it the way you do?

RE Loops: When you set the the loop on you control surface do you have a text readout that lets you confirm that the loop is set exactly as you intended?

I worked with a hardware controller on Monday night at a session in town... it had all kinds of dynamic text displays on it... but, I didn't try any of the stuff I am asking about... so I don't know how it compares. One thing I liked about that controller was that I was able to sit down and get right to work because everything was clearly labeled and the dynamic text displays on each button, knob, or slider confirmed all my adjustments were what I thought they were... and the PC keyboard was fully labeled and color coded as well.

I personally don't have much interest in Hardware controllers... they seem, to me, like a waste of valuable floor space.

I'm sorry I did not see or acknowledge your post... thanks for the follow up.

best regards,
mike


Hi Mike

In answer to the questions. No the MCU doesn't have snap to as a visual on it. I read it from the Control Bar although I'm usually aware of which screenset I'm in and have snap-to times set per SS. I doubt very much whether you'd be able to use the controller as I do simply because the key presses and combinations are in-grained in me from constant use, although of course the faders/mute/solo etc are straight forward enough.

I always have a hard snapping "snap-to" set so loops always go to where I set them. There is an LED time readout in the format of your choice visible at the time of setting the start & end loops but TBH I never look at that I set them in conjunction with what I see on the screen. The snap to changing when opening the PRV bug needs addressing though.

I can understand those that don't particularly like hardware controllers but I'd be hopelessly lost without mine, I do however find I'm using the keyboard much more in X1 than I have previous versions. Not because I have to but because I now find it quicker than previous versions especially with the multidock, inspector and control bar shortcuts. Did I mention screensets?
2011/01/27 18:42:16
The Maillard Reaction
 
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2011/01/27 18:48:12
...wicked
Yah the new indention/collapsing logic within the track's widget pane seems odd to me too. Plus, it's not changeable. This is one area that is totally ripe to open up to customization. Imagine custom buttons that are key-bound to various functions (bounce,for example) arranged how you like 'em.

Plus, buttons could have custom logic for when track height changes, so a button in the middle of the list could be designated to always pop into the collapsed area when the track is shrunk. 


2011/01/27 19:22:21
lorneyb2
Keni


Yeah!

Far too cluttered...

Attempting to get all of my necessary tools visible takes so much screen space that it leaves very little room to work... Cluttered is a "nice" word to describe it.... and all those extra areas for the new BIG-3 windows dividers.... Wasted space. the Inspector used to disappear when closed... Now it takes up almost a half inch of screen from top to bottom even when closed!!!

Keni
Keni, For the Inspector, undock it(menu via down arrow in upper left corner) and use "I" to toggle it off and on. Then your 3/8" of space is reclaimed(unless of course you have a 60" monitor). 
(It also works with your favourite Sonar X1 Helper program "I" button)


2011/01/27 19:27:42
B San
mike_mccue


Facts is facts



click view image to see as 100% scale


n0rd


EXACTLY!!
2011/01/27 19:38:52
HumbleNoise
mike_mccue


HumbleNoise


Both the small and large icons can be turned off and on from the 'views' menu. Track view 'show in header' for the small icon.
Larry,

Yes indeed the icons can be turned off but doing so does not reclaim any space... If you use icons you can have more or less wasted space... if you don't use icons then you simply have more wasted space.

I really dislike the wasted space.

best regards,
mike


Yeah I agree with you Mike about wasted space. I was only posting re: that single point of showing both icons, not about wasting space.
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