See beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like the look of track 2. I do not care for track 1's look. Track 2 is the normal look of a track in X1.
One can say there is no accounting for taste. I posted in my review of X1 that it would be nice if the track header could have all the widgets the user wants via the track control, that would be a good idea.



None the less, X1 looks good as is to me. 

As to not having a CV in Sonar I can't for the life of me figure out why that would be a good idea. One can use it or not but to say there is no point in having it makes no sense to me. One thing those that advocate this notion forget about is the many users using Sonar like me have a CS that is ideally set up for a CV type view. It makes sense for those that have a single monitor and no CS to not use the CV but those of us that do see the value in having a proper CV.

X1 does need tweaking of how its various views look and the GUI of them but at present X1 is not the awful GUI as some seem so bent on saying.

ProjectM


I seriously have no problems with yours or UnderTows choice not to use the CV or the Channel Inspector bit for my self - and most people I know - the Console View (or mixer or whatever they call it in their DAWs) is a very important piece of the software. Now, if you like to ignore it, that's fine. And you can. If every one else want to use it that's fine. But stating that "We don't need a Console View in 2011" is plain and simply a stupid thing to say (if serious) and I will refer to a point that's been made here on the forums many times lately:
 
Don't post your opinions as fact!

Did you miss the ? Just in case, here is another one:

Undertow

ProjectM, thanks for taking that with the pinch of salt it was intended with.

I'm quite aware that I'm in a minority with my belief / understanding that switching between vertical and horizontal is pointless brain gymnastics. (as evidenced by the fact that there are now no DAWs whatsoever that do not require you to do so).

It'd be fine if the default X1 presented, what appears to be the majority preference, no useful tools (reach for that salt seller again!). But at least give us the option to add them back.

I'm quite happy to root around for a little while and tweak my setup to suit my needs (and with an application as deep and various in it's possible uses as Sonar even Cake acknowledge that those needs and uses are broad a,nd often even contradictory). I'm not asking for the Reaper level of geekery whereby I have to design my own knobs and faders, but I do value being able to pick and choose what appears where and in which order.

John, you're great, but you appear to be continuing to ignore the fact that this debate is a little more nuanced than simply 'beauty' (which is certainly in the eye of the beholder) and more about 'Egonomics' (the confluence of aesthetics and usability). Just because you tend to find that whatever Cake give you is 'good enough' for you doesn't preclude that there are other use cases where it is not. A little more sympathy for those of us who are not as flexibly minded as you appear to be would be graciously received.

Child

brundlefly


I says dump the Volume, Pan and Gain (Vel+) labels altogther. Previous versions did not have them, and I never had trouble distinguishing them, or knowing that Volume was output, and Gain was input.

Could you clarify, do you mean the text labels or the little triangular icons?

UnderTow

stickman393


Nice. Very nice. I want that. Especially with the vol coloured orange and the trim/gain green. And I would be able to read the input/output text labels. I so want this.

Thanks. Yes, different colours could make things even more obvious. I'll experiment a bit.

UnderTow

I use the Track Control feature as well as custom icons to declutter X1 to the max.



I can change screensets and show different widgets though I would prefer to be able to keybind the Track Control presets instead.
EDIT: I just stumble over the Shift + Left/Right Arrow which will toggle through my Track Control Presets.   Learning all of these short cut keys is a job in itself.



The only issue that I still have is the confounded FX bin and it's pinning to the right hand side of the Track Pane.  If it would move left when all other widgets were hidden, it would be a thing of beauty instead of a blank space.

I don't need some of the widgets to click on (like MSR) because I have an Alphatack and I can use it's buttons for that.

The only issue that I still have is the confounded FX bin and it's pinning to the right hand side of the Track Pane. If it would move left when all other widgets were hidden, it would be a thing of beauty instead of a blank space.

No two ways about it the FX bin needs some work. As it is its nearly unusable.

UnderTow

brundlefly


I says dump the Volume, Pan and Gain (Vel+) labels altogther. Previous versions did not have them, and I never had trouble distinguishing them, or knowing that Volume was output, and Gain was input.

Could you clarify, do you mean the text labels or the little triangular icons?

UnderTow

Yes. I meant the text labels that say Volume, Pan and Gain.

UnderTow

stickman393


Nice. Very nice. I want that. Especially with the vol coloured orange and the trim/gain green. And I would be able to read the input/output text labels. I so want this.

Thanks. Yes, different colours could make things even more obvious. I'll experiment a bit.

UnderTow

Looking forward to seeing this version, my preference is for green gain, orange pan and blue volume but as long as they are all different it doesn't actually matter too much as it's re-learnable.

I am relatively indifferent about whether they have text or an icon, but it should be one or the other (rather than both).

Child

UnderTow

ProjectM


I seriously have no problems with yours or UnderTows choice not to use the CV or the Channel Inspector bit for my self - and most people I know - the Console View (or mixer or whatever they call it in their DAWs) is a very important piece of the software. Now, if you like to ignore it, that's fine. And you can. If every one else want to use it that's fine. But stating that "We don't need a Console View in 2011" is plain and simply a stupid thing to say (if serious) and I will refer to a point that's been made here on the forums many times lately:

Don't post your opinions as fact!

Did you miss the ? Just in case, here is another one:

Undertow

I was hoping your meant just that. Sheesh! With all the crap being said around these forums these days it's not always that easy to distinguish what's actually sensible and reasonable and what's just posted by raw emotions and a ridiculous need to grow cacti under one's arms - emoticons or not.
 
Well that clears things up. I was worried you'd lost your mind. You've done some good work with the layout suggestions here. I don't always agree with you but that was pretty cool;)