mike_mccue

John

Look I'll be the first to admit that I think the CB is a bit too big (that's only my personal opinion). The good part of this is that it can be instantly hidden most of the time and easily shown when needed. Either way this is something that will no doubt have work done on it as time goes by.

One of the neat things in X1 is the support of a CS. You don't need the CB open at all with one if it is a Mackie Control or a V-700. That is one that will display time and position as well as tracks plus status.

Can you access snap settings with your hardware controller? I really don't know so I am asking.

Can you see when the snap settings change on you without warning?

How would you set a loop? With the hotkey? How would you confirm what the loop start and end start times became?

3 questions.

best regards,
mike

FWIW: You can set a loop by selecting a clip or an area in the timeline and pressing "SHIFT+L". That's new in X1.

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I agree that 8.5 had too many buttons, but I could get rid of most of them if I wanted. In X1 the control bar is huge and buttons are too big. If I want to see it, it takes up more room than all of the buttons 8.5 had. Less choice, more room. It just doesn't make sense.

Yes you could get rid of them if you wanted to, but the fact is that many people never did and left this insane jumbled mess of stacked toolbars and buttons. And a lot of people saw all those buttons and ran for the hills. The out of box experience needed to be a lot better.

But don't get me wrong: I agree that the Control Bar has a fair amount of room for improvement.

Gotta agree with some of the rants in here -- X1 looks like the baby toy that is Cakewalk Music Creator.  They seem to have taken the MS Office 2007 approach to GUIs, figuring we need oversized buttons all across the top for our commonly used tasks.  You know where commonly used tasks belong?  In keyboard shortcuts, not real-estate-hogging buttons.

On screensets, mine all seem to disappear once I close and reload X1...but I figure I'm just dumb at this point and getting to know the software.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

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All of the easy to access buttons we used to have. Correct me if I am wrong, but in the many years I have used Sonar I don't recall this much dissent with a version. Most of the problems here are due to making a change to what a lot of us considered to be non-essential before the essential things were done. If Sonar had a solid audio engine and very few generational bugs a new GUI would be little complain about. It's all those things together that cause a lot of us grief.

If you want to make X1 better, make all of the GUI elements smaller and add the ability to see all the ones that 8.5 had. We need choices.

I guess you could argue that we should allow the user to add more buttons if they wanted to. And I can understand that once you got used to a button for everything that it might have become comfortable.

But for years, we've heard how SONAR has too many buttons, and really...it did. Menu items were all over the place and the UI needed streamlining. From our perspective far more agree iwth this than don't . Unfortunately you fall into the latter camp.

That's not to say that we won't continue to build back in more choices over time. I think choice is good and we hear you when you say this, but we really needed to start from ground zero. Personally there are some things I thought should have been left in or some choice that should have stayed in tact. For varying reasons, it wasn't possible, but that doesn't mean things won't get better in that regard over time. There are plenty of examples of this with other applications throughout software history.

I agree that 8.5 had too many buttons, but I could get rid of most of them if I wanted. In X1 the control bar is huge and buttons are too big. If I want to see it, it takes up more room than all of the buttons 8.5 had. Less choice, more room. It just doesn't make sense.

Yes you could get rid of them if you wanted to, but the fact is that many people never did and left this insane jumped mess of stacked toolbars. And a lot of people saw all those buttons and ran for the hills. The out of box experience needed to be a lot better.

But don't get me wrong: I agree that the Control Bar has a fair amount of room for improvement.

Like I said, I can see how a UI is easier to sell than a better audio engine, but to sacrifice the engine for the UI seems strange. IMHO I think cluttered is the wrong term. It just looks like Sonar for the blind to me.

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mike_mccue


"FWIW: You can set a loop by selecting a clip or an area in the timeline and pressing "SHIFT+L". That's new in X1. "


Yes, but without the Control Bar how would you know if your loop was, say for example, 1:01:000 to 8:01:000 or if it was 1:01:000 to 7:04:950+/-?

It seems to me that you sort of have to have a Control Bar for many things. But I may be wrong and will welcome correction.

best regards,
mike

You'd see it in the timeline. Generally you are not looping odd timed areas and are instead looping logical points where a definable beat is involved. This is easily set if your snap is set to say 1/16th or higher. Also looping based on clip selection automatically sets the loop point to that exact size of the clip.

I guess, for me, I've rarely if ever needed to fine tune a loop point to ticks or samples.

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Like I said, I can see how a UI is easier to sell than a better audio engine, but to sacrifice the engine for the UI seems strange. IMHO I think cluttered is the wrong term. It just looks like Sonar for the blind to me.

Other than not being entirely gapless (another thread), what is this big oft-mentioned, audio engine problem you are having that is hindering things for you? I mean i use the application all the time...and in front of people in the hot seat...

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

I couldn't disagree more. 8.5 was massively cluttered with buttons and widgets everywhere. X1 is much more organized and sleek looking. Try hiding the Control Bar by pressing 'C' if you want to go for a really minimal look.

8.5 wasn't that cluttered

buttons and widgets everywhere IS GOOD!!!! It means you don't have to go searching for anything. It's always right there.

8.5 was a far more mouse friendly UI

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

10Ten


Like I said, I can see how a UI is easier to sell than a better audio engine, but to sacrifice the engine for the UI seems strange. IMHO I think cluttered is the wrong term. It just looks like Sonar for the blind to me.

Other than not being entirely gapless (another thread), what is this big oft-mentioned, audio engine problem you are having that is hindering things for you? I mean i use the application all the time...and in front of people in the hot seat...

It not even being close to gapless is the big audio engine problem that is hindering, well just aggravating me and others. Can I get stuff done with the constant starts and stops sure, but it sure would be more pleasant without them.

Twigman

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

I couldn't disagree more. 8.5 was massively cluttered with buttons and widgets everywhere. X1 is much more organized and sleek looking. Try hiding the Control Bar by pressing 'C' if you want to go for a really minimal look.

8.5 wasn't that cluttered

buttons and widgets everywhere IS GOOD!!!! It means you don't have to go searching for anything. It's always right there.

8.5 was a far more mouse friendly UI

So by this logic if I just take all my clothes and lay them out on the floor rather than putting them in drawers...or if I put all the kitchen utensils out on the counter it's Good?

(welcome back by the way)