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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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10Ten


Like I said, I can see how a UI is easier to sell than a better audio engine, but to sacrifice the engine for the UI seems strange. IMHO I think cluttered is the wrong term. It just looks like Sonar for the blind to me.

Other than not being entirely gapless (another thread), what is this big oft-mentioned, audio engine problem you are having that is hindering things for you? I mean i use the application all the time...and in front of people in the hot seat...

It not even being close to gapless is the big audio engine problem that is hindering, well just aggravating me and others. Can I get stuff done with the constant starts and stops sure, but it sure would be more pleasant without them.

I agree it would be more pleasant. Luckily Noel, our CTO, is on another dedicated thread collecting information about this very issue.

mike_mccue

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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mike_mccue


"FWIW: You can set a loop by selecting a clip or an area in the timeline and pressing "SHIFT+L". That's new in X1. "


Yes, but without the Control Bar how would you know if your loop was, say for example, 1:01:000 to 8:01:000 or if it was 1:01:000 to 7:04:950+/-?

It seems to me that you sort of have to have a Control Bar for many things. But I may be wrong and will welcome correction.

best regards,
mike

You'd see it in the timeline. Generally you are not looping odd timed areas and are instead looping logical points where a definable beat is involved. This is easily set if your snap is set to say 1/16th or higher. Also looping based on clip selection automatically sets the loop point to that exact size of the clip.

I guess, for me, I've rarely if ever needed to fine tune a loop point to ticks or samples.

I'll present two clear reasons you NEED to see a true readout.

1) Select a clip that you think is 8:01:000 measures long that is actually 7:04:900+/- and use the "shift-L" command..... how are you going to see that on the timeline? You could make a habit of zooming in every single time you do that or learn to read the exact times in the control bar.


2) Do you remember my video with the loop bug that occurs after a Set Measure/Beat Now video? The one where I sleected the clip and used the "shift-L" command and the loop became -0.4946234896524543675etc to 8:01:000? Reading the eact times in the control bar is also vital at that point.

I contend that you can not really get rid of the Control Bar.







I am also wondering how you view your snap settings without a Control Bar... and I'm hoping I am merely overlooking some other easy option like floating a snap module dialog or something like that.

best regards,
mike

Of course there are exceptions  - and I never said you could wholesale get rid of the Control Bar entirely...just that you don't need it all the time. I keep it hidden fairly often.

And yes Snap is a good example where you must have the CB module visible to really make any changes. I hit C, make the change, and hit C agian to get it out of the way.

FWIW: The module concept of the CB needs to be taken to the next level IMO.

I am not a Sonar fanboy (not yet anyway - I'm still waiting to upgrade to X1 based on what I see in X1b), but it sure is nice to see Brandon, Seth and others stop by, especially during this time of uncertainty.

It give you a glimpse into what Cakewalk is thinking.

I like the new UI, but if it could be size scaled to the display you are working with, that would be great.  I want to be able to work on an industry standard laptop AND a kick ass wide screen monitor.

As far as icons, perhaps the option to create a custom, personalized floating icon set would satisfy some - similar to the effort going on in another thread.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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Twigman

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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I couldn't disagree more. 8.5 was massively cluttered with buttons and widgets everywhere. X1 is much more organized and sleek looking. Try hiding the Control Bar by pressing 'C' if you want to go for a really minimal look.

8.5 wasn't that cluttered

buttons and widgets everywhere IS GOOD!!!! It means you don't have to go searching for anything. It's always right there.

8.5 was a far more mouse friendly UI

So by this logic if I just take all my clothes and lay them out on the floor rather than putting them in drawers...or if I put all the kitchen utensils out on the counter it's Good?

(welcome back by the way)

I thought that most men do consider the floor their drawers   (though I am not of fan of all the icons in Sonar Classic)

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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FWIW: You can set a loop by selecting a clip or an area in the timeline and pressing "SHIFT+L". That's new in X1.

Actually no it isn't. You can bind SHIFT-L to "Set Snap Points To Selection" in previous versions of Sonar.

UnderTow

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I thought that most men do consider the floor their drawers 

I resent that remark, my floor is only my drawers when I'm drunk........ It's sometimes my bed too then.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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Twigman

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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I couldn't disagree more. 8.5 was massively cluttered with buttons and widgets everywhere. X1 is much more organized and sleek looking. Try hiding the Control Bar by pressing 'C' if you want to go for a really minimal look.

8.5 wasn't that cluttered

buttons and widgets everywhere IS GOOD!!!! It means you don't have to go searching for anything. It's always right there.

8.5 was a far more mouse friendly UI

So by this logic if I just take all my clothes and lay them out on the floor rather than putting them in drawers...or if I put all the kitchen utensils out on the counter it's Good?

(welcome back by the way)

thanks for the welcome.


As I've explained before (and it appears I'm unique perhaps) I try to never topuch my keyboard in the studio.
My studio is dark, very dark. My computer keyboard lives on a shelf under my main work area which needs to be pulled out to use it.
I use a mouse and a numberpad and try to nevber use the keyboard.

IMO keystrokes are so pre-Windows - Windows was invented for mouse it's a GUI rather than being reliant on keystrokes like DOS Apps were.
The next evolution will be (is?) Touchscreen.....so why the backward step to become more reliant on keystrokes to get things done quickly rather than having all the tools available a click away........I concede most things can still be done with a mouse but with more clicks and 'hidden away' rather than just there on your desktop right where you need them whenever you need them In X1 there are fewer 'right click' contextual menus too meaning you have to move away from where you are working to find the function you wish to use and then move back to where you were previously working.
The Smart Tool is an improvement once you get used to clicking the mouse wheel - I do love that enhancement - I just miss having all my icons lined up right where I need them.

UnderTow

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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FWIW: You can set a loop by selecting a clip or an area in the timeline and pressing "SHIFT+L". That's new in X1.

Actually no it isn't. You can bind SHIFT-L to "Set Snap Points To Selection" in previous versions of Sonar.

UnderTow

OK I guess I should have added that this is new default behavior that doesn't require active key binding on the part of the user after installation.