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2016/12/16 15:18:41
mohak96
slartabartfast
I doubt there are many people reading this forum who can speak to the music industry in India. The professionals who let you watch them work in a (recording?) studio might have some advice, assuming they do not just see you as a gullible musician from whom they can extract money. Such predatory people are pretty common in the US "recording" industry. In fact taking hopeful musicians' money with little chance of success, is probably the main money making activity for most of those in the world who have developed that skillset. 
 
Coursera.org offers a number of courses about the music industry (primarily US & Europe) that would give you a feel for opportunities. Do not pay for course credit, that will be worth nothing in actually getting work. If you are interested in studying music (as opposed to making money as a musician/composer/songwriter) then academic courses may make sense, especially if becoming a music teacher is your eventual goal. 
 
https://www.coursera.org/learn/music-business-foundations
https://www.coursera.org/learn/musicbiz
https://www.coursera.org/learn/music-industry
 
It is insanely speculative to imagine that you can earn money from some sort of self recording and digital distribution. For every act that went viral on YouTube and made it to a paying career there are many thousands who go nowhere. The best most musicians will get from that kind of exposure is the ability to point someone to an internet demo tape if they are trying to get someone to hire them to play live for a cheap venue like a wedding. 
 
It would be nice to say that musicians who have spent decades perfecting their craft and working regularly in small venue live performance will eventually make it to a secure earnings plateau, but the evidence is that  most will never go further than hand to mouth music income supplemented by a "day job" that actually pays the rent. 
 




Yep, it's the same here. Gullible musicians would get ripped off right in front of me, like having to pay to get their music distributed, and then someone else would be credited for that same piece of music, and they would get nothing.
 
I was in a mixing studio, by the way. I mostly compose electronically, so I just wanted to see how professionals mixed their projects.
 
And yeah, I will be getting a day job ultimately, for when things do go south. But for now, music is the main focus.
2016/12/16 15:24:42
mohak96
craigb
The best way to make a small fortune in the music industry is, unfortunately, to start with a large fortune.  I think it's best to NOT get your hopes up, find work that gives you time for you to make and learn music as well as funding your gear.  This way you won't be forced to try and make money (which is a big creativity killer).  Once you've refined what makes your music "you" then definitely use some of the advice above and get it out using free sources like YouTube.  
 
A few decades ago, with the right motivation, tons of self-learning, some unique talents, a few fortunate connections and a lot of luck, you could make a decent living.  Now, not so much (ignoring the talent-less wastes of flesh that peddle horrible rubbish and pathetic opinions on people in the Top-40 pop genre which, even there requires a lot of what I said in the first sentence of this paragraph).
 
You're obviously young, so don't let us stop you from going for it but, just realize, it's not going to be an easy road to riches by any stretch of the imagination.  So, my advice, is to keep enjoying music (leaving some hope for being that one that makes it), but find another means of income so music doesn't become a burden.
 
Good luck! 




Thanks! My hopes are as down as they can be, though. My music has already been rejected quite a bit.
But as I've said before, music is a passion, and riches come later. Much later. So I'm ready for the long road.
2016/12/16 15:30:34
UbiquitousBubba
Musicians play music because they must, whether or not they make money, get applause, move out of their parent's basement, or receive anything of any value as compensation. Business people make money. They find out what people want and they sell it to them. 
 
What many of the folks here are telling you is that earning money from music is extremely difficult and there is no one sure way to do it. Playing music, on the other hand, is another story. In order for your music to have commercial value to other people outside of your friends and family, you need to have a product that is worth buying. The best way (and only way as far as I know) to improve your music is to play. Use whatever you've got. Go where the musicians are. Hang out with them. Learn from them. Jam with them. Listen to them. Immerse yourself in the music. 
 
The bottom line is that there is no get rich quick scheme in music. That well is empty. If your goal is to get rich, there are easier ways, like setting yourself on fire for a living. That may sound harsh, and I know that friends and family try to be kind and encourage you to follow your dreams. I don't want to squash that, but I usually tell aspiring rock stars that wanting and getting are two different things. Every American Idol contestant wannabe in the history of that monstrosity declared that they KNEW they would win because "I want it so-ooooooooooo badly!" Almost all of those people got smacked down by reality. 
 
Here's the best advice (about anything) that I ever received. Don't waste time on what you can't do and focus on what you can do. Can't make money with music? Focus on what you can do. Get out and play. Pay your dues and put in the hard work of learning musical discipline. Don't have a place to perform? Run extension cords out of the house and play outside. Just play. If money comes your way, consider it a bonus and keep playing. 
2016/12/16 15:39:49
mohak96
UbiquitousBubba
Musicians play music because they must, whether or not they make money, get applause, move out of their parent's basement, or receive anything of any value as compensation. Business people make money. They find out what people want and they sell it to them. 
 
What many of the folks here are telling you is that earning money from music is extremely difficult and there is no one sure way to do it. Playing music, on the other hand, is another story. In order for your music to have commercial value to other people outside of your friends and family, you need to have a product that is worth buying. The best way (and only way as far as I know) to improve your music is to play. Use whatever you've got. Go where the musicians are. Hang out with them. Learn from them. Jam with them. Listen to them. Immerse yourself in the music. 
 
The bottom line is that there is no get rich quick scheme in music. That well is empty. If your goal is to get rich, there are easier ways, like setting yourself on fire for a living. That may sound harsh, and I know that friends and family try to be kind and encourage you to follow your dreams. I don't want to squash that, but I usually tell aspiring rock stars that wanting and getting are two different things. Every American Idol contestant wannabe in the history of that monstrosity declared that they KNEW they would win because "I want it so-ooooooooooo badly!" Almost all of those people got smacked down by reality. 
 
Here's the best advice (about anything) that I ever received. Don't waste time on what you can't do and focus on what you can do. Can't make money with music? Focus on what you can do. Get out and play. Pay your dues and put in the hard work of learning musical discipline. Don't have a place to perform? Run extension cords out of the house and play outside. Just play. If money comes your way, consider it a bonus and keep playing. 




Yep, I totally understand that music isn't the way to go for money, or fame, etc. I just like making music that's all. And as I said in my first post, I have finally gotten to making full songs. I aim to improve further, as much as I can and finesse my style of music. Earning a little along the way would just be icing on the cake.
2016/12/16 15:39:53
eph221
UbiquitousBubba
Musicians play music because they must, whether or not they make money, get applause, move out of their parent's basement, or receive anything of any value as compensation. Business people make money. They find out what people want and they sell it to them. 
 
What many of the folks here are telling you is that earning money from music is extremely difficult and there is no one sure way to do it. Playing music, on the other hand, is another story. In order for your music to have commercial value to other people outside of your friends and family, you need to have a product that is worth buying. The best way (and only way as far as I know) to improve your music is to play. Use whatever you've got. Go where the musicians are. Hang out with them. Learn from them. Jam with them. Listen to them. Immerse yourself in the music. 
 
The bottom line is that there is no get rich quick scheme in music. That well is empty. If your goal is to get rich, there are easier ways, like setting yourself on fire for a living. That may sound harsh, and I know that friends and family try to be kind and encourage you to follow your dreams. I don't want to squash that, but I usually tell aspiring rock stars that wanting and getting are two different things. Every American Idol contestant wannabe in the history of that monstrosity declared that they KNEW they would win because "I want it so-ooooooooooo badly!" Almost all of those people got smacked down by reality. 
 
Here's the best advice (about anything) that I ever received. Don't waste time on what you can't do and focus on what you can do. Can't make money with music? Focus on what you can do. Get out and play. Pay your dues and put in the hard work of learning musical discipline. Don't have a place to perform? Run extension cords out of the house and play outside. Just play. If money comes your way, consider it a bonus and keep playing. 




 
Like any business it's about relationships.  The best advice here is to 1. learn an instrument (master it) 2. learn music theory (this might be a lifetime of learning),  3. don't bother with those ridiculous recording schools, but do learn some music.
 
 What you'll find on this website are many, many people who are way, way too concerned about how the production sounds.  Don't bother with that advice, don't let it bother you a bit.  Make the music that you hear or see make sure it takes you from one place to another (in your mind) and apply your learning from your instrument and theory.  
 
And forget the people down low.  Go straight to the CEO of whichever music business you want to do and talk to them.  Don't listen to other musicians and the AR people etc, they have skin in the  game..  Go straight to the top.
 
Stay away from drugs!  Peace!
2016/12/16 15:43:34
mohak96
eph221
 
Stay away from drugs!  Peace!




That's my motto in life right there.
2016/12/16 16:19:11
Randy P
Due to the type of music you are recording, you are kind of limited to getting your songs into a publisher or a song listing service that caters to video/film makers. Then you just hope a client comes along and finds that your song matches what he has filmed. Kind of a long shot.
 
However, If you learned to play keyboard, you could do some street busking with the rest of your recorded song as a backing track. I see guys in New York City all the time who have a little generator and have their keyboard and microphone plugged in to a small mixer and they make some pretty decent money performing on the street.
 
I did some busking on acoustic guitar back in the late 70's on Redondo Beach pier. I made some decent cash and I thank all that's holy that there were no smart phones and internet back then to record how truly awful I must have been.
2016/12/16 16:31:26
bayoubill
Mohak - In this country Musicians are a dime a dozen. Competition is unbelievable. You won't make enough money to properly raise a family and give them what they need to succeed. Very few unless born into it , like a Kenny Wayne Sheppard, make a really good living at it and have to have a second income. If you want to raise a family that's the course that will make your life much easier
 
 Education is the key to any endeavor. The more you know the more tools you have to succeed. 
 
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MARKETABLE PRODUCT YOU CAN SELL first.  I have heard so many younguns say they have the talent, they can do at least that good etc. but if you put them in a position to "show me" they fall short
 
There is excellent advise above! Take what you can use and act on it. Music is work and a lot of it to propel yourself to a truly professional level. If music is your passion then there is no decision. You'll do the work without being told to. You will eventually become the musician you want to be. That does not mean you"ll be successful financially
I know so many great musicians that did very well in their early career that are now starving and can't go to a Doctor. They have nothing to fall back on. Others found a second vocation to fall back on and spend their free time playing semi professionally. That makes sense to me. I was fortunate enough to find a job playing full time with full pay as a musician. I have retirement coming in etc. That's rare. 
 
Choosing music to accomplish fame and fortune is a tough tough road with many pitfalls. 
Good luck to you and your journey. The music is in you. It won't go anywhere if you take a second job and skills.   
Realize that if you feel that you must be or get rich and or famous, there are much better ways to achieve it. 
2016/12/16 16:51:03
craigb
Randy P
Due to the type of music you are recording, you are kind of limited to getting your songs into a publisher or a song listing service that caters to video/film makers. Then you just hope a client comes along and finds that your song matches what he has filmed. Kind of a long shot.
 
However, If you learned to play keyboard, you could do some street busking with the rest of your recorded song as a backing track. I see guys in New York City all the time who have a little generator and have their keyboard and microphone plugged in to a small mixer and they make some pretty decent money performing on the street.
 
I did some busking on acoustic guitar back in the late 70's on Redondo Beach pier. I made some decent cash and I thank all that's holy that there were no smart phones and internet back then to record how truly awful I must have been.




I would have helped you out Randy, but I didn't start donating to those busking on the pier until the 80's when my best friend moved to that area (right before the refinery blew up and wiped out much of the pier actually). 
2016/12/16 17:17:15
BobF
craigb
The best way to make a small fortune in the music industry is, unfortunately, to start with a large fortune.



 
Darn it all to heck!  I was going to wait an appropriate amount of time and post that 
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