• SONAR
  • My Biggest Fear with X3... (p.4)
2013/10/17 17:31:52
Beepster
FastBikerBoy
Have you got anything running in the background that is drive or CPU intensive? I had something similar a few days ago and then realised my backup software was running a full backup. Paused it and it stopped.
 
That's what I get for being in my studio at 2 am.




OT (again) but Karl... I've been watching your X2 FX vid. Great stuff, man. Learning WAY more about all these doohickeys. Cheers.
2013/10/18 02:28:20
FastBikerBoy
Beepster
FastBikerBoy
Have you got anything running in the background that is drive or CPU intensive? I had something similar a few days ago and then realised my backup software was running a full backup. Paused it and it stopped.
 
That's what I get for being in my studio at 2 am.




OT (again) but Karl... I've been watching your X2 FX vid. Great stuff, man. Learning WAY more about all these doohickeys. Cheers.




Thanks for the support Beepster. Glad you are finding it useful.
2013/10/18 02:43:27
Daylaa
Thanks guys:
 
I would agree with the general opinion that it sounds like something running in the background. However... My PC is a RAIN Computer purpose-built machine that has been tweaked specifically for use for recording and mixing audio. I have done hours of work with the guys who actually built the machine over this specific problem. They suggested Latency Mon and DPC Latency Checker - I shared hours of results with them and they even found them inconclusive.
 
I have no other programs running in the background. I don't even have Anti-Virus on the machine because it uses a 'virtual PC' called 'RainZone' http://raincomputers.com/support/article?id=110 to browse the internet with. The virtual PC has 'Avast' on it but the guys at Rain assure me the virtual PC doesn't have any 'contact' with my actual PC. Hope this makes sense. It's a clever machine. But there's no way I could have a virus.
 
Teds - Your post fills me with both despair and confidence!
2013/10/18 04:45:17
mudgel
I wonder -did you follow Noel's advice in his second post?
2013/10/18 09:47:16
mmorgan
stevec
...At least not to sexagenarians or above.  
 




Trust me on this one: you'll get there.
2013/10/18 11:37:19
stevec
I hope so.  The name alone is just so double entendre.... 
2013/10/18 13:00:40
Daylaa
mudgel
I wonder -did you follow Noel's advice in his second post?



Not yet - however I wanted to explore the 'changing sample rates' pathway first, as changing them to 1024 seemed to have an effect. Until the next time I booted up that is. I was going to try automating the parameters like Noel said, but I couldn't do it because the problem actually disappeared last night. This, in itself surely means that it is not a graphical problem with the UI? Noel??
2013/10/18 13:19:07
spacey
Daylaa
...Is the Pro Channel causing huge drop outs.
 
My experience of X2 was a nightmare because every time I tried to sweep a frequency using the Pro Channel EQ, everything dropped out or buzzed or froze. Constantly.
 
I spent 2 weeks trying to eliminate everything that could be causing it - I went as far (and beyond) my level of comfort with that but nothing solved it. It was the biggest reason I had to stop using X2. X2 is now sitting in my PC like a big broken ocean liner that I wish I could sail again.
 
I'm really hoping X3 has fixed this issue. I've been watching the forums for weeks now and X3 seems to be pretty stable. But if I upgrade and find that the Pro Channel is glitchy for me still - I think I would cry/throw my PC out of the window/give up/want my money back (again).



BUT....If you did get X3 and had no problems just think of all the time and hassle you would save
yourself and know that whatever the issue was/is isn't because of your PC and if X3 didn't resolve it
you could pretty much bet it's you PC/setup.
 
Personally speaking, as much time as you've spent it would have been much better for me to take
a $150.00 gamble and at the worst have to deal with getting the PC maker to make things right.
Of course I understand ones time being valued differently.
 
Good luck Dave and sorry I don't know what the problem is.
 
 
2013/10/18 13:22:22
Brando
Daylaa
They suggested Latency Mon and DPC Latency Checker - I shared hours of results with them and they even found them inconclusive.
 
I have no other programs running in the background. I don't even have Anti-Virus on the machine because it uses a 'virtual PC' called 'RainZone' http://raincomputers.com/support/article?id=110 to browse the internet with. The virtual PC has 'Avast' on it but the guys at Rain assure me the virtual PC doesn't have any 'contact' with my actual PC. Hope this makes sense. It's a clever machine. But there's no way I could have a virus.
 



What does "inconclusive" mean? That sounds like "borderline acceptable" to me. What were the actual latency readings, average and Max.
The "Virtual PC" is slicing away CPU cycles anyway you cut it. The fact that it has Avast running on it is using the same horsepower that would be used if you had Avast running on the CPU to begin with - plus you have the additional horsepower of the "virtual PC" itself.
I know Rain has a decent reputation - but I am sure they haven't figured out how to defy the laws of physics - IE, turn one CPU into two.
If it were my DAW I would figure out how to shut down the virtual PC and Avast, and rerun Latency Mon and see what the difference is. I doubt that Rain are going to tell you to try that - 
2013/10/18 14:32:46
stevec
Brando
Daylaa
They suggested Latency Mon and DPC Latency Checker - I shared hours of results with them and they even found them inconclusive.
 
I have no other programs running in the background. I don't even have Anti-Virus on the machine because it uses a 'virtual PC' called 'RainZone' http://raincomputers.com/support/article?id=110 to browse the internet with. The virtual PC has 'Avast' on it but the guys at Rain assure me the virtual PC doesn't have any 'contact' with my actual PC. Hope this makes sense. It's a clever machine. But there's no way I could have a virus.
 



What does "inconclusive" mean? That sounds like "borderline acceptable" to me. What were the actual latency readings, average and Max.
The "Virtual PC" is slicing away CPU cycles anyway you cut it. The fact that it has Avast running on it is using the same horsepower that would be used if you had Avast running on the CPU to begin with - plus you have the additional horsepower of the "virtual PC" itself.
I know Rain has a decent reputation - but I am sure they haven't figured out how to defy the laws of physics - IE, turn one CPU into two.
If it were my DAW I would figure out how to shut down the virtual PC and Avast, and rerun Latency Mon and see what the difference is. I doubt that Rain are going to tell you to try that - 




+1   Turning off the VPC would be the first thing I'd try.   We use them here at work, and while the technology has come a long way over the last 10 years, you're still running Windows, apps, AV, etc., in addition to Windows, apps, etc on your main machine. It's sort of like doubling your baseline before you even start SONAR.    
 
Does Rain advertise the VPC as something to be run simultaneously with your DAW, or as an alternative to going online with your DAW?
 
© 2026 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1

Use My Existing Forum Account

Use My Social Media Account