My goodness, does EVERYTHING in live has to make sense...? Is it so odd to want something most people find odd? I had a simple question which has been answered so why do some of you continue to talk about the use or not if what I asked? Words like 'ignorance' and 'malevolent reason' are posted. What are you all getting so uptight about? Really... I didn't expect this on a forum where you expect creative people with an open mind.

 
Nope, things in one's life do not have to make sense.
 
However, it is uncommon to expect others to make more than a token effort to assist one in one's senselessness. If you argue the point, it naturally becomes a discussion of the senselessness of it all itself.

Not every point was aimed at you Hellogoodby. This forum has had to deal with people that don't like the X series to the extent that they would like it to fail. Thus in their addled logic CW will revert back to a pre X series version more to their liking. 
 
The dismissive post about the PC in CClarry's posting was to a degree reminiscent of those posts.   

cclarry
Ok, while the ProChannel looks "kewl"...
 
I know many of you here OHHHH and AHHHHH at the PC...but really, it's just a proprietary effects bin...
It isn't "MAGIC" other then the fact that it offers a "visual - scrollable" view of installed plugins,
rather then having to "double-click" on the effect to see the interface.

Well, it has other advantages as well.
 
1. Tight control over the plug-in for stability. Propellerheads did the same basic concept with Rack Extensions so they could keep "closed system stability" with options more like an open system.
2. When exchanging projects with other Sonar users, the PC offers plug-ins that would likely have caused users to deploy third-party plug-ins, making exchanges more problematic if all concerned didn't have the same third-party plug-ins.
3. There's a whole lot less "window clutter" with big projects when you want to have multiple plug-ins visible at once.
4. In Console view, opening up a PC doesn't cover other tracks.

Flashback alert! Didn't we go through this discussion 100 times when X1 was released? I bet the archives are full of heated debate about ProChannel.

Yes and I was in most of them defending PC. LOL 

I happen to be a big fan of the pro channel and I am insulted !
I quit smoking about a month ago but this is too much, I need a cigarette.
 

Well maybe they could remove it and replace it with Netscape navigator.
 
>  quit smoking about a month ago
 
Two months for me. Whenever I want a cig I post here ;)

hellogoodbye
 
But I DO use the Inspector a lot... I just don't want PC in there.
 
 

As Mudgel already pointed out (Post#8), Pro Channel does not need to be visible in the Track Inspector.  It's only one of the 3 display options.

OK, this is weird , sure, but I agree with the OP. What I did was to buy X3 basic.
 
Reasons: I have a stable of high quality VSTs and the ProChannel was making me feel I had wasted my money! Also, PC just adds another layer and I like things simple. A third issure I had was the weird hotkeys to switch between what the inspector shows. I wish you could cycle between the three options with TAB key in producer but instead it is something like ctrl+I or something like that.
 
In conclusion- I downgraded to X3 basic (even though I own Producer too) and am content with my decision.

Anderton

cclarry
Ok, while the ProChannel looks "kewl"...
 
I know many of you here OHHHH and AHHHHH at the PC...but really, it's just a proprietary effects bin...
It isn't "MAGIC" other then the fact that it offers a "visual - scrollable" view of installed plugins,
rather then having to "double-click" on the effect to see the interface.

Well, it has other advantages as well.
 
1. Tight control over the plug-in for stability. Propellerheads did the same basic concept with Rack Extensions so they could keep "closed system stability" with options more like an open system.
2. When exchanging projects with other Sonar users, the PC offers plug-ins that would likely have caused users to deploy third-party plug-ins, making exchanges more problematic if all concerned didn't have the same third-party plug-ins.
3. There's a whole lot less "window clutter" with big projects when you want to have multiple plug-ins visible at once.
4. In Console view, opening up a PC doesn't cover other tracks.

Before I say this let me state....I LIKE THE PROCHANNEL...that being said, here is REALITY FOLKS...

As Backwoods has stated, and I also stated, the PC adds extra code to the program to institute a proprietary
VST format.  The only real difference is it has a proprietary interface that remains open all the time, unless collapsed.
Other then that, it has NOTHING to offer over the FX Bin....end of story.  And as far as what Craig said about
windows and clutter...well all they are is a bunch of open windows alongside the channel strip, rather then floating.
The difference?  The proprietary window is smaller.  It still uses real estate and resources, just like a VST.

The disadvantages of this scenario are manifested here:
 
A.  It adds to the BULK of the program (code) that must be loaded into memory when the program is launched,
     and It makes the footprint of the program larger on the hard disk.
B.  It loads "X" number of QC EQ plugins, which cannot be removed, and which consume system resources (memory)
     even when NOT in use, as, even if bypassed & hidden, they are STILL loaded in memory.  And, by default, loads
     several other memory consuming modules that must be removed if you don't need or use them (can be saved as
     a template to save time)
C.  It is NOTHING more then a 2nd FX Bin....end of story, bye bye...which adds to the signal chain unnecessarily...

You can slice it any way you want....call it what you want...be insulted all you want....doesn't matter...
IT IS WHAT IT IS....added BULK to a program that can function just fine without it.  Does it look great?  
YES!!! Is it really necessary?  NO... 

Let's be realistic boys....it is just AN ADDED FX BIN, and a great marketing tool, howbeit completely unnecessary and
superfluous. 

Craig, you are correct in your assertion of "more control" just like Reason.  It gives the developing Company
CONTROL over the format, so that it can't be used elsewhere and can only be used in the Company's host.

That being said....I use it....all the time...it's in the program, the modules are nice.  Could they be used in the FX bin?
Yep...if Cake just ported them to full VST's like they did with the CA-2A.  

Just keepin' it real boys...so let the bashing's begin!