• SONAR
  • Will we ever see a notation plug in? (p.2)
2013/11/26 12:55:03
dubdisciple
Old Post Alert!
2013/11/26 13:09:45
sergiobklyn
Steinberg hired most of the Sibelius developers and they are the creators of the most popular plug-in format.  I hope that my predictive math adds up properly.
2013/11/26 14:04:07
shmuelyosef
It takes some fiddling, but it is possible to export the MIDI files from Sonar and import them to Sibelius. I just generally bite the bullet and go the other way (i.e. compose in Sibelius and then import into Cakewalk and voice). Last time I did this was with X1 and Sibelius 6. I'm considering upgrading to Sibelius 7 for an upcoming project, as they have a much better playback engine now...I previewed at a buddy's setup. For big band or orchestra, it's remarkably good....the playback captures notation, dynamics, etc...I would love to have a capability that seamlessly combines the best of Sonar (input and editing) with the  best of Sibelius (publication-ready scores and now, exceptional instrumentation). I'm not willing to go back to Pro Tools to get it, though. I was unaware that Avid had acquired Sibelius. 
2013/11/26 14:48:22
vintagevibe
shmuelyosef
It takes some fiddling, but it is possible to export the MIDI files from Sonar and import them to Sibelius. I just generally bite the bullet and go the other way (i.e. compose in Sibelius and then import into Cakewalk and voice). Last time I did this was with X1 and Sibelius 6. I'm considering upgrading to Sibelius 7 for an upcoming project, as they have a much better playback engine now...I previewed at a buddy's setup. For big band or orchestra, it's remarkably good....the playback captures notation, dynamics, etc...I would love to have a capability that seamlessly combines the best of Sonar (input and editing) with the  best of Sibelius (publication-ready scores and now, exceptional instrumentation). I'm not willing to go back to Pro Tools to get it, though. I was unaware that Avid had acquired Sibelius. 


I have Sibelius 7 and it's quite good and I did what you describe for a while but the true solution for me was Cubase 7.  If I do orchestral, big band, wind ensemble etc.. I do it in Cubase 7.  I can score and mix in the same app. With EWQL SO and the Kontakt library I can do anything I need and hear the "real" ensemble as I compose.  The Cubase score page is incredible.  Not as full featured as Sibelius of course but it does a few cool things that Sibelius doesn't do.  It's focus is letting you create a correct looking and printing scored without changing the underlying MIDI data (unless you want to change it).   I use Sonar for other things.
2013/11/26 17:38:28
kitekrazy
 I think a plugin would have been done by now. It must be one of those "easier said than done" projects. The closest thing so far is using Rewire I guess. 
2013/11/26 21:10:44
WallyG
scook
vintagevibe
mudgel
All Cakewalk woulld need to do is allow the current score to be exported as an xml file which could then easily be imported into a top end score program for further editing.



Sonar already doesn't this.  It's not a solution for notation as a composing tool.  (And it really doesn't work well.)


I believe it was added with X1 Producer Expanded some time after the post was made




How to export xml file with Sonar X3? I'm missing this.
 
Walt
2013/11/26 21:35:45
vintagevibe
In the staff view on the print menu.
2013/11/26 21:39:02
scook
in X3 Producer staff view Print menu "Export to MusicXML..."
2013/11/26 23:06:52
swamptooth
i use sibelius 7 as well as cubase and sonar for different types of scoring.  many times i'll rewire sibelius 7 into either of the latter, though the tempo map situation is a pita...
what i'm waiting for is this...  http://blog.steinberg.net/2013/11/development-diary-part-four/#more-387
2013/11/27 00:27:22
vintagevibe
swamptooth
i use sibelius 7 as well as cubase and sonar for different types of scoring.  many times i'll rewire sibelius 7 into either of the latter, though the tempo map situation is a pita...
what i'm waiting for is this...  http://blog.steinberg.net/2013/11/development-diary-part-four/#more-387


Yep.  Steinberg is going to have the best software on the planet for scoring.  Exciting stuff.
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