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2017/11/30 22:24:23
mdages
No rumors about acquisition of Cakewalk can have 2 reasons.
1. Gibson don't want to sell Cakewalk and all the related trademarks, they want to kill the brand.
2. There is no serious takeover bid by another company.
 
Imo this means Cakewalk and Sonar will end. Most users will now look for another software and this makes Cakewalk then less interesting for a buyer.
 
Personally, I think it's a pity, because Sonar has just become a very good DAW software in recent years and it is sad that such a development should now be pulped. Shame on Gibson.
 
Thanks to the Cakewalk team for all efforts to provide such great software.
 
regards
Markus
2017/11/30 23:25:41
RTA
Firstly, I am sad for the Cakewalk Team that all their hard work over time is just being put down and that they will have to search for other, perhaps less fulfilling positions.
Secondly, a special thanks to Don Williams for his generous offer on Overture 5, which was already on a generous offer price. I decided to read this thread today and work my way from start to finish, otherwise I might have missed it. It has sweetened the bitter pill that the loss of Sonar is and has almost gifted something that gives a hint of what Sonar might have been if the management team at Gibson had any imagination beyond the balance sheet.
The rest has already been said by many people far more qualified than myself.
I notice that Marshall are now offering a limited edition refrigerator and can only assume that Gibson have leapt down the 'me too' marketing route and plan to offer a refrigerator themselves at some point as it is the only common sense reason for such a bizarre acquisition as Philips.
 
I do own Les Pauls. All are good, though a couple are great [one being a 2015 - Shoot me!]. The changes to fretboard woods are more connected with the CITES regulations for exporting anything containing Rosewood, but given the two common choices of Ebony [expensive] and baked maple/others [cheap], they chose the cheap option when other manufacturers have not. This is actually more telling of the current situation at Gibson than anything else to me.
 
I do own many other guitars as well and it is true that Gibson went through a serious quality control problem that I believe they were trying to turn around with the 2015 series but some of the fairly radical modifications upset many purists, so rather than increase sales they dropped. Such is life. Admittedly the G-Force autotuners are great when they are calibrated [very important] after every string change and work & not so great when they do not, but you can still tune manually, even with the G-Force unit fitted.
It remains to be seen if the scrapping of Sonar turns out to be a tax dodge to help Gibson out with their financial problems, if so it will be even more of a shame that a once proud marque has been reduced to this sort of behaviour to fend off the sword of Damocles.
 
The fact that there are now a bunch of competing DAW programs on different platforms would normally be a good thing, as under normal market competition the strongest will drag up the weakest and those that do not compete will fall by the wayside. This being the result of a takeover and selloff is seeing a primary driving force in the DAW market being retired and this will slow innovation in the other packages as they won't need to compete with anything Sonar might have delivered in the future. That can't be good for anybody.
There are far less DAWs out there than there are guitar brands, that's for sure, and like guitars some will do some things better than others. Sonar was brilliant at being able to supply MOST of what you could want in one package.
It wasn't perfect, nothing is, but its loss will be sadly missed.
 
Good luck to the ex-employees and all best wishes for a brighter future.
2017/12/01 03:09:20
DavidLight
This is a shock to me!  Just saw it on YouTube.  I've been with Cakewalk since version 4.5.  My initial plan is to stay with it until it stops working.  Meanwhile I have many hundreds of projects I need to prepare for transfer to something else (hopefully will not be needed for a long time).
 
So instead of selling Gibson just pulls the plug?  Makes you wonder how long this has been known.
 
Anyway.  Best wishing to the cakewalk people.  I have talked with enough of you to feel like I know you, which makes this feel even worse.
 
    
2017/12/01 03:21:20
Jwaterstreet
I think all this talk about Cakewalk finding a new home is wasted energy.  I for one will continue to use Sonar as is for the foreseeable future, but am worried that I will need to reinstall at some point and won't be able to.  Gibson is saying the servers will stay up, and there is talk about an offline registration key that will be granted to up-to-date customers, but there is one problem with this scenario.  There is a good possibility that Gibson will fold up shop next year.  It is a failing company with no future prospects, and a huge debt payment due next year.  It could go bankrupt and liquidated, with names and patents sold off, and everything else shut down.  Lights out on everything.  If they don't provide the manual offline capability to us by then, it will never happen.
 
So I think all of your talk about petitions, lawsuits, and everything else should be redirected to ask Gibson to provide the offline registration capability now.  Before Gibson fails next year.
2017/12/01 04:32:59
jaxman12
gcurrie
donwilliams
Right now, we are having an Epic sale through December 1st of Overture 5 for $75. This low price is in no way a reflection of problems here and Sonic Scores is not in financial trouble and I have always believed in affordable prices for good software. In fact, next year will be my best year in twenty-five years. If any of you Sonar users would like to purchase Overture 5, I will make an offer to you for $50. This is not a subscription price and is the full version.
 
If you have not looked at Overture 5, it is a DAW like/Notation hybrid. Within the next year we plan to add audio tracks. We release a new update everyone to three months and always include new features that were requested by the users. As for your Sonar files there is not much I can do until the audio tracks are implemented but you can export your scores as a MusicXML and import them into Overture if they contain MIDI tracks.
 
I apologize for the long-winded post but really wanted to you to know it hurts to see such a good company killed by gross mismanagement and that it is no way a reflection of Cakewalks’ personnel.
 
Overture 5 coupon code to reduce price to $50.
 
sonar50
 
Thanks for listening,
Don Williams
President,
Sonic Scores


Craig Anderton reposted this to bring attention to it. I want to say that this is one incredible deal that anyone needing USABLE notation should consider. (I just placed my order) Don't let this slip away because you're busy!




I just purchased this! It is amazing and just what I was looking for. Couldn't afford $600.00 for Sibelius or the $479.00 for Finale.  Looked at the instructional videos.  A no-brainer to buy it.  Got it for the $50.00 special for Sonar users.  Thanks for the deal!
2017/12/01 10:50:46
exitthelemming
jvlm57
A class action lawsuit IS a possibility. 




Winning a class action lawsuit would merely increase Gibson's already insurmountable debts. As unsecured creditors you would get squat.
2017/12/01 11:19:07
nonametoday
mudgel
nonametoday
facelessproduction
Your early and fast adoption of 64bit technology on the market had my first attention and interest of the products Cakewalk made over 10 years back. It were Cakewalk that had the lead roll of 64bit technology, 64bit DAW and 64bit audio-engine that made eventually others, software manufactures follow in same direction and adapting to 64bit technology too example Steinberg, Studio One, Logic Pro, Reaper, AVID Pro Tools, Waves, Native Instruments etc.

When did Cakewalk start with a 64bit audio engine ?
 
Reaper has had a 64bit audio engine since it started, back in 2005.


Sonar 5 came out about 2005 with the first 64 bit DAW.
Reapers wasn’t available as 64 bit until about 2009 according to Wikipedia


The only reference from wikipedia about 64bit is about osx and windows 64 bit os being supported.
 
A post from a thread from gearslutz in 2007 which is an interview with Justin Frankel refers to the audio engine.
 
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/1221556-post2.html
 
2017/12/01 11:27:38
karhide
Old Sound on Sound review of version Sonar 5 that mentions 64 bit.

https://www.soundonsound....views/cakewalk-sonar-5
2017/12/01 11:35:48
StephanKim
Gibson = Swamp of death
2017/12/01 12:44:04
Andreas Franke
Presonus has a special crossgrade offer for Gibson victims:
http://blog.presonus.com/index.php/presonus-cakewalk-crossgrade-offer/

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