• SONAR
  • CC64 not registering as sustain in Sonar (p.2)
2011/11/30 00:16:24
brundlefly
My keyboard just takes in the sustain signal, and transmits it to the computer where I believe ACT handles it. Is there a way to change the values being outputted? If it's not quite getting to 127, that would actually explain everything, ie Sonar detects it but doesn't consider it a sustain.



There are a couple of misunderstandings in that statement. First, the sustain pedal doesn't send CC64 it's just an on/off switch (with some exceptions that I don't think we need to be concerned with in this case). The keyboard reads the circuit status (open or closed), and generates appropriate CC64 message when it changes. It's very unlikely that the keyboard would generate anything other than 0 or 127, and as I said, regardless of the value, SONAR should be able to record it.

And finally, SONAR doesn't interpret controller messages; it just sends them to the synth, and the synth responds however it's been programmed.

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe you just have the pedal plugged in to the sostenuto input on the keyboard, which would generate CC66 instead of CC64. I would think most synths should respond to that as well (sustaining only notes already played), but maybe not.

When you said you were using CC64 for remote control, did you specifically program something to respond to CC64, or did you use MIDI learn, which could have learned something other than CC64?

2011/11/30 10:29:28
brundlefly
I think a solution to the problem consistent with my last post just came up on the other forum:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2439527&mpage=1#2439581

The other input on the keyboard is for an Expression pedal (CC11).


2011/11/30 11:00:39
daveny5
+1 Brundlefly

In addition: 


Some keyboards let you assign the pedals to control other things, like modulation or patch change. Make sure its set to sustain. 
Some pedals allow you to reverse the polarity of the signal. Check for a switch on the pedal.



Check the Event View list to see what is being sent. 
2011/11/30 13:07:08
LHousehold
The pedal is definitely plugged into the hold jack. I've done it like this before and it worked. I know because I have a working expression pedal plugged in also. With the remote control I specifcally assigned it to cc64 instead of learn, so that's not it.

Although I haven't solved the problem, I fixed it!!! I just switched the keyboard's MIDI channel to 2. And... now it works. I don't know why, but I'm happy. Thanks for all your help guys!
2011/11/30 13:12:35
rbowser
That's great you got things going again, Lhousehold. From your solution, it sounds like you're not setting the MIDI channels of your tracks in the Inspectors. If you set channels there, your keyboard can stay forever on MIDI channel 1, and the data is translated to the channel each track and associated instrument needs. RB
2011/11/30 14:01:11
brundlefly
I just switched the keyboard's MIDI channel to 2. And... now it works. I don't know why, but I'm happy.



That's bizarre. That implies SONAR will record and echo note events sent on channel 1, but not CC64...? All I can think is that there's something going on with CC64 being used for remote control or MIDI Shift in keybindings or something that it causing CC64 to be intercepted on channel 1 only. But AFAIK, Remote Control assignments still allow the message to be recorded/echoed, and I thought using it as MIDI Shift would intercept it on all channels.


Strange.







2013/11/23 12:22:40
musicrazy
Well same problem happening here. Sonar x3 is not interpret cc64 correctly. It simply stops responding to all events when pedal is pressed (even the cc64 event is not recorded) still i can see notes going in on midi monitor. it doesn't record anything when i have pedal pressed . the pedal is working correctly on standalone versions of synths. I have x2 installed to and it works correctly. Can someone confirm that is getting the damper pedal working correctly on sonar x3? Thank you.
 
 
Resolved. The cc64 was assigned on keybindings to shift. 
2013/11/24 15:23:30
Cactus Music
You should post this in the X series forum. Things will be different now.
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