2016/12/15 08:54:04
spacey
to those that have thought about assembling a guitar. Not only that but it also hits on a little history that some may find interesting.
 
Now it is a big playing field with many issues assembling a guitar- way to many for me to want to get into on this forum. This post is to mainly share some info about Charvels guitar and Boogie Bodies. ( for clarity; assembling is not the same as building one. IMO -they can be confusing terms. One can buy a "kit" - not everyone can start with a board of wood)
 
Before Charvel started using serial numbers there were guitars being used by players such as EVH that more or less started the graphics appeal. The deal is; Charvel wasn't making the bodies or necks. They were being supplied by Boogie Bodies.
Now I'm not going into a history lesson. If interested it's easy to get the details.
 
What interests me that I wanted to share;
One of the questions when assembling a guitar is "should I get a neck from ___ and a body from ___?"  Well one can get them from different makers but there may be an issue with fit and "fit" doesn't only apply to the neck heel fitting into the bodies neck pocket. ( I won't bore with the many issues)
So if one can get the body and the neck from the same maker it sure avoids some possible catastrophic problems.
 
That makes Boogie Bodies one to consider. Their history also makes them interesting and their prices also tell a story. How? Well it gives you an idea of how much it's worth to risk using power tools LOL.
 
Here is an example;  I'll use Swamp Ash but first let us consider this; Two very popular woods (not including Poplar) are Swamp Ash and Alder. ( we are talking about Strat/Tele style guitars) The main differences; Ash is not a consistent wood but it has interesting grain so a clear finish works. Alder is a consistent wood but uninteresting grain so a paint finish works. ( not to say that Ash can't be painted but it does take more work to do so)
"Consistent" is referring to weight (wood density) in this example. Ash can be very light or very heavy. ( "Swamp" Ash seems now to be no more than a term to indicate "light" IMO)
 
Boogie Bodies offer an Ash body- It's $295.00.
One can purchase a body blank of Ash for - $125.00 excluding shipping. (I'll add @$20.00 for shipping - $145.00)
So one can safely say that Boogie Bodies shapes the body to ready for finish/assembly for $150.00.
 
The neck; Well the neck is the heart of the guitar. The neck they offer is $249.00.
IMO that is a very low price for a well made, unfinished neck. Even though a Maple board to make a neck can be had for under a twenty spot. The neck wood is just a small part of making a good neck.
 
Of course being able to shape the body/neck and have construction, design and material options is great if one can and it's also cool to have somebody with a cool history offer theirs for very fair prices. Now I have no experience with Boogie Bodies products. I'm not saying they're anything at all...other than what I've said here. I'll add that I also think it's cool that if one wanted to assemble and finish a guitar that they could "build a kit" with almost "one stop shopping".
 
I know there are others where one can almost or get "one stop shopping" and I have no need for any of it.
I find the history of Charvel and Boogie Bodies interesting so thought I'd share that along with some of "assembling a guitar" perspective. (even though I don't assemble guitars)
 
Wish I could paint...still working on that. At least my two attempts with Nitro did work out...no confidence and mostly nerve racking to do. Until much improvement, beautiful wood and a clear finish is favored.
I'll add; I did assemble a guitar once. By the time I had the neck and all the pro work done on it I had over $650.00 into the neck alone...but what a neck. Another player traded me a Deluxe Strat in "like new" condition for that assembled guitar and I didn't use not one power tool. :)
 
I'm not affiliated with either nor anybody.
 
 
2016/12/15 09:16:38
Slugbaby
Thanks Spacey.
 
I'm toying with the idea of buying and assembling for the first time (because, you know, PAYING DEBTS isn't nearly as much fun).
2016/12/15 09:26:21
spacey
You're welcome Matt and if I may be of help, ask.
 
2016/12/15 11:29:28
kennywtelejazz
Yes spacey , I have built partscasters before ...
 
I did oil finishes to ones I did that started out w unfinished bodies .
 
This shop has some nice parts for sale ...some great deals w the web specials
http://www.usacustomguitars.com/bodies/guitar/
 
Kenny
2016/12/15 11:59:49
craigb
Although I doubt I will ever build or assemble one for myself (I know my limitations and, as an IT professional, value having all of my fingers!), I still enjoy learning these types of things.  Thanks for sharing Michael!  
2016/12/15 12:11:33
spacey
craigb
Although I doubt I will ever build or assemble one for myself (I know my limitations and, as an IT professional, value having all of my fingers!), I still enjoy learning these types of things.  Thanks for sharing Michael!  


You're welcome Craig.
What is most interesting to me about it is what really started the Charvel attraction wasn't really them at all and then it seems nobody knew the difference, recognize the difference or even care.
In a way, and I know I'm spacey, but it's nuts like Gibson leaving behind the luthiers that made them, haul ass to Nashville with new machines and people don't realize that the ones behind creating the beloved Gibsons are still where they were making guitars with a different name.  Just a strange, weird world we live in...I do think it must be easier on those that don't realize it.
2016/12/15 12:31:30
spacey
I'm at work...interrupted...
 
What's so strange/weird, you ask? Well maybe it's not but I'll tell you why I think it is.
 
One must know that with the attraction when the guitar was an infant....it must have something that was really good because the people after it could play.
 
Now maybe a few people put 2/2 together and realized that- WOW I bet if I found one of those first ones made with handwriting in the neck pocket and 3/4 digit order numbers it would be worth a fortune!
Well Ok...let them look and good luck with that.
 
What it tells me is that for a hell of a lot less money I could go to the people that supplied them with the material to build the thing and do one myself....IF I wanted to assemble a guitar...and I don't. Remember; The heart of those guitars was the neck. The ones making those necks are still doing it.
 
And maybe some may realize...with all that wouldn't it mean that Charvel must have had a hell of time once they decided to do their own neck and bodies?     Well yes it does and it was probably a nightmare for them until they got the router bits right to make those necks...you can probably make a bet that they weren't hand carving them.
 
I understand...my point(s) about posting this may be easily missed. That's Ok. I've shared all I have time for and after all....it's just what I see and I grew up in the 70's.
2016/12/15 13:20:04
drewfx1
Interestingly, Warmoth got it's start when Ken Warmoth was part of Boogie Bodies and then went his own way:
 
http://blog.warmoth.com/2016/04/14/origin-of-warmoth-turtle/
 
And I'm not 100% certain, but I believe USACG was started by former Warmoth employees.  
 
So they go all back to the same place with Boogie Bodies. 
2016/12/15 13:29:36
drewfx1
craigb
Although I doubt I will ever build or assemble one for myself (I know my limitations and, as an IT professional, value having all of my fingers!), I still enjoy learning these types of things.  Thanks for sharing Michael!  


 
Honestly, if you can operate a screwdriver and drill a few holes (non-critically placed ones - they generally drill the critical ones for you) without ending up with extra holes in the table or yourself, you can probably assemble one.
 
There's soldering and setup as well, but there's a vast world of difference between those of us like me who just bolt things together and people like Spacey.
 
The biggest problem I had was that the first one I did turned out way too good, which turned out to be expensive. 
2016/12/15 13:38:57
drewfx1
A further history point, Schecter was also an early parts company before they started making complete instruments. Pete Townshend's early 80's teles were Schecter parts-guitars.
 
And Wayne Charvel was all over the place:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charvel
 
I happen to have a BC Rich "Wayne Charvel" prototype from the late '80's when they were working with him. It's a "one of a kind", but apparently there are many different "one of a kind" guitars Wayne built from that period. 
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