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  • So . . any new updates at all in X3 for Staff View ? (p.4)
2013/10/09 22:33:25
noynekker
JerryLan3 . . . a Staff View plugin ? Never heard of it. Don't think that's been done yet.
Sorry I don't know where you can get such documentation, but kudos to you if you can pull it off.
Hopefully you will make it work seamlessly inside Sonar Xwhatever.
2013/10/09 22:41:37
vintagevibe
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
There were no changes to the Staff View. Focus was on stability, workflow, and technology like VST and ARA.


Why has Cakewalk ignored the staff view for decades?


2013/10/09 22:54:22
mudgel
It would have to be a MFX ie MIDI plugin not a VST plugin as VST takes MIDI data and converts to audio via a plugin.

MFX manipulates MIDI data.
2013/10/09 23:01:24
Guitarpima
Jimbo 88
Guitarpima
I use the SV quite a bit as well. I don't think Finale would be integrated into Sonare. Finale is big with academia has it's onw following. On another thread, a baker, I believe, pointed out that to imtegrate another program, like Finale, it would need to have audio outs. Finale does meet that criteria AFAIK. It would be very cool though.



The Ironic thing is we don't want audio out of a notation program,  we want to edit MIDI with it.  I want to edit midi with notation and see a score.
 
Having said that, X3 is a great update. 
 
If Staff view was exceptable Sonar would be the greatest piece of software EVER! 




It's not about wanting another audio out. I stated that on another thread a Cake staffer said that the notation program would NEED and audio out. Finale does handle audio or maybe it doesn't. Since it utilizes audio I thought it might but again, that's what the Cake staffer said.
2013/10/09 23:01:53
noynekker
vintagevibe
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
There were no changes to the Staff View. Focus was on stability, workflow, and technology like VST and ARA.


Why has Cakewalk ignored the staff view for decades?




Multiple choice:

1) The Cake Staff View bakers have moved on
2) They perfected it decades ago
3) No one has made any recent meaningful Staff View feature requests
4) Recent survey of users panned it
5) Not enough Staff View threads on the forum
6) Recent development focus has been on stability, workflow, and technology like VST and ARA
7) Midi editing is so 1990's
8) Coming big time Staff View improvements in Sonar X4 being beta tested now.
9) Most of the above is rubbish
2013/10/09 23:25:23
vintagevibe
noynekker
vintagevibe
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
There were no changes to the Staff View. Focus was on stability, workflow, and technology like VST and ARA.


Why has Cakewalk ignored the staff view for decades?




Multiple choice:

1) The Cake Staff View bakers have moved on
2) They perfected it decades ago
3) No one has made any recent meaningful Staff View feature requests
4) Recent survey of users panned it
5) Not enough Staff View threads on the forum
6) Recent development focus has been on stability, workflow, and technology like VST and ARA
7) Midi editing is so 1990's
8) Coming big time Staff View improvements in Sonar X4 being beta tested now.
9) Most of the above is rubbish


10) It's deep diving into the code and they have put it off so long they don't think they'll ever get it put back together if they went that deep. 
2013/10/09 23:27:24
JerryLan
OK, I have recovered my original login ID.  I am JerryLan3.
I really appreciate the guidance here toward achieving the goal which it seams many are hoping for.
People have mentioned Finale.  I have used finale as well for many years and it has only helped me for charting, and never without having to explain how some repeat sign didn't come out right, or something.  In short it is disappointing.
 
There is no way that finale can achieve what I am looking for.
 
Truly I had it the closest when I used Pro-Audio 9 many years ago.  I could quickly choose note durations, move them slightly by right clicking and change note values.  The only thing I couldn't do was join a set of notes as a group changing the pitch by pitch wheel instead of note value, thus avoiding attack events.
2013/10/09 23:32:27
noynekker
Ha ! Like it.
 
Sounds like it would be expensive, for Cakewalk, and for us.
2013/10/10 00:26:07
jeebustrain
The only thing that I personally feel that staff view is lacking is the ability to draw tuplets other than duplets or triplets. I would love the ability to be able to notate quintuplets or septuplets.
2013/10/10 08:02:26
cityrat
1) The Cake Staff View bakers have moved on
Maybe.  I suppose it *is* a fairly special skill.  And the 'staff people' are pretty vicious when you get some thing 'wrong'.

2) They perfected it decades ago
m-kay....
 
3) No one has made any recent meaningful Staff View feature requests
Probably a bunch of *conflicting* requests.  Some want external integration, some internal, some simple, some complex, etc
 
4) Recent survey of users panned it
Could be.    There is usually a lot of opposition to staff by people who don't use it, since it does take resources away from other development.
 
5) Not enough Staff View threads on the forum
We can fix that!

6) Recent development focus has been on stability, workflow, and technology like VST and ARA
Can't argue with that at least as a priority call.

7) Midi editing is so 1990's
Yep.  There does seem to be a trend to 'audio' and 'recording' focus vs midi. 

8) Coming big time Staff View improvements in Sonar X4 being beta tested now.
Sure......

9) Most of the above is rubbish
And the comments here (mine) too!
 
 
 
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