I’m not sure who’s trolling whom nor am I interested in picking sides. I do appreciate anyone spending time here and their views in the interest of overcoming everyone’s concern(s) about the future.

Clearly there was/is drama with Cakewalk develop and support staff vs the executive folks which could account for some of what happened. ‘We’ know that from these forums and what’s been posted on Reddit.

Sadly this will probably not be resolved at any point BUT to the scores of end users it is of little interest other than to gossip about it. I’ve known serveral Cakewalk people in real life, all cool folks. I’ve read Craig Anderton’s stuff over the years too ~ never met him, I don’t dislike him or devalue his opinions because of ‘whatever was’ in this debate of Gibson’s Cakewalk meltdown.

My goal is only to gain knowledge here while the forum still exists. I am not going to buy (as some have or claim to) several other DAWs. I am not going to jump too fast because everyone says it needs to handled fast. Why is that?

I shifted from ProTools to Sonar over ten years ago for a few reasons which I’ll spare detailing out here but in a nutshell it was the right move as Cakewalk WITH Intel worked (I think) hand in hand nicely to bring ‘us’ from 32 bit to 64 bit.

Everyone on here to a degree seems to love Sonar yet this forum is getting a bit Facebookish with the bickering whether it’s about a poll of who’s moving where or the back and forth digs in this thread. Might I suggest that everyone chill it a bit? It’s not helpful or healthy to continue it.

There’s an old saying in the world of the big rock show: “Today’s openers are tomorrow’s headliners” so it best to be nice because sooner or later you’re not at #1, you’re sliding back down from the top and it’s a bumpy ride if the road you paved going up was not smooth. It’s a small world this music business, you never know whom you winding up sitting next to on your next trip on a plane, entrance into the control room or the board room...

Anderton

sharke

Anderton
Every now and then I pull out an old Windows program, and find that it not only still runs, but runs lightning fast compared to when I was running it on Windows 95. So sue me for thinking this could possibly happen with SONAR.
 

To be fair though, the processor you have now is many times faster than the one you were no doubt running Windows 95 on. That's gotta account for most of the speed increase. 

I guess I wasn't clear. The point was that the Windows 95 program not only still runs  under Windows 10 (I don't have any machines that run Windows 95!), but was a whole lot faster as opposed to being "broken" by running on the newer OS.
 
 

the newer windows versions still include the old APIs used by the win95 stuff, which are stable and pretty much unchanging... newer "modern" software tends to rely on a hodge-podge of 3rd party bits and bobs (e.g., CJLibrary.dll used by sonar for ui controls), as well as the ever changing .net platform... so there are waaaaay more variables and dependencies at play with modern software than ancient win95 stuff... i'd expect that within a year or so the last sonar will no longer run because of some os or .net update, whereas older versions (pre-x series) will still run... i expect that it will be similar to the "thread init timing" bug that broke stuff in late 2016, but it won't get fixed... or some .net update breaks the codejock stuff... you know?
 
and some of the older win95 games run so fast on modern win that they're unplayable!
 
it's sad to see the end of cakewalk, but that's business
 
/fwiw

dammit, my long considered reply just disappeared into nowhere...
 
but to summarise - you can't compare old win95-age software to modern software (especially without naming some!) due to the huge number of dependencies, and 3rd party libraries used, that just didn't exist ~25 years ago... sonar will be killed by a .net update, or a windows update, or a .net update that kills one of its 3rd party libraries (CJLibrary.dll for example)... similar to the "thread init timing" bug from late 2016, or blank plugin guis from the wrong open-gl version, etc etc, only this time it won't get fixed
 
i do expect pre-x-series sonar to last longer than the more recent versions as it is not so dependent on such a moving foundation...
 
sad to see the end of cakewalk, for sure, but that's the world of business
 
/fwiw

CakeAlexSHere
.....Craig I already stated that it's likely to get better because windows will get better, and as Shark has rightfully said improved hardware has a lot to do with it.....
 

You're on the wrong tracks, CASH. Deliberately misunderstanding (or pretending to misunderstand?) and provoking.
Of course there is a change, too, that you really don't understand...

^ ^ Deliberately editing a quote so my actual point was completely removed.

pwalpwal
dammit, my long considered reply just disappeared into nowhere... but to summarise - you can't compare old win95-age software to modern software (especially without naming some!) due to the huge number of dependencies, and 3rd party libraries used, that just didn't exist ~25 years ago... sonar will be killed by a .net update, or a windows update, or a .net update that kills one of its 3rd party libraries (CJLibrary.dll for example)... similar to the "thread init timing" bug from late 2016, or blank plugin guis from the wrong open-gl version, etc etc, only this time it won't get fixed i do expect pre-x-series sonar to last longer than the more recent versions as it is not so dependent on such a moving foundation... sad to see the end of cakewalk, for sure, but that's the world of business  /fwiw

Exactly.
Windows performance and stability improvements won't override this either (as seems to be implied from the OP).

Nothing wrong with being optimistic!!!  Long live Sonar!!!
 
Shoot ... just saw this...
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/3/16846784/microsoft-processor-bug-windows-10-fix
 
Looking for wood...

kzmaier
Nothing wrong with being optimistic!!!  Long live Sonar!!!

Absolutely, that much is true. But I'd backup first.

kzmaier
Nothing wrong with being optimistic!!!  Long live Sonar!!!
 
Shoot ... just saw this...
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/3/16846784/microsoft-processor-bug-windows-10-fix
 
Looking for wood...

Intel have a diagnostic program to check whether your PC is affected or not. Turns out ALL of my PC's have this vulnerability, including some over 10 years old. There's absolutely no evidence so far that anyone has actually started exploiting this issue yet though.
 
Hopefully any OS patch that might slow down Windows will be optional.

msmcleod
so far that Hopefully any OS patch that might slow down Windows will be optional.

It's a major security issue so it won't be. Expect 5-30% slow down.
Only way to remove this is either to delay updates (you have my tip of the week) or go offline.