Noel's already explained that the way ARA works is not useful in something like notation either in entering MIDI data via notation or exporting a score via notation. ARA has a look ahead function for existing AUDIO data and that's how it works. At least that's my layman's understanding of what Noël said.

As for anyone that wants to enter MIDI data through Sonars notation I'd recommend they get some tips from jsg here on the forum. He seems to have no problem doing complex orchestration with it.

mudgel
Noel's already explained that the way ARA works is not useful in something like notation either in entering MIDI data via notation or exporting a score via notation. ARA has a look ahead function for existing AUDIO data and that's how it works.

This is my layman's understanding of what Noël said.

As for anyone that wants to enter MIDI data through Sonars notation I'd recommend they get some tips from jsg here on the forum. He seems to have no problem do complex orchestrationsing it.

If a notaion company would implement Re-Wire so that it sent multitrack MIDI data to the host you could notate to VST set up in the host but nobody does that.

vintagevibe
Craig, what's your take on why Avid, MOTU, Steinberg and Presonus have spent resources on notation?

Avid and MOTU: Both are heavy into Hollywood-type scoring, where notation remains prevalent. MOTU in particular has made that their niche on the Mac (I presume introducing a Windows version was an attempt to re-create that success on a different platform).
 
Steinberg: Division of Yamaha, which is heavy into education and school programs. Notation remains important for the education market.
 
PreSonus: This is speculation, but I presume they were unlikely to devote resources into adding notation to Studio One, so they bought Notion. This provides a workaround for now, and who knows, could possibly be integrated into SOP in the future. As to why, PreSonus has been putting a major push on education in the past couple months.

mudgel
Noel's already explained that the way ARA works is not useful in something like notation either in entering MIDI data via notation or exporting a score via notation. ARA has a look ahead function for existing AUDIO data and that's how it works. At least that's my layman's understanding of what Noël said.

Hi Mudgel: In case you were replying to one of my posts:
 
You may be misunderstanding me. What I'm saying is it would be great if Cakewalk could innovate some implementation embedded in SONAR whereby using the professional notation software ( such as Finale and Sibelius) in SONAR would be integrated as good as Cakewalk integrated ARA in SONAR to use the Celemony Melodyne software. And if Cakewalk could innovate such an implementation it would perhaps be easier to do that than to make a revision to the Staff View in an attempt to appease the years of user requests to update SONAR to have better and more professional notation features. This may be something that is super hard to do, but I'm just entertaining the thought.
 
And, I still would like to see the Cakewalk MP3 Encoder updated to include an option for Average Bit Rate encoding, and if Cakewalk does that, they may as well, update to the most recent version of LAME version 3.99.5.

Craig's posts made me think on notation software..
 
I would suppose that  that DAW companies acquire Notation software both to round out their product lines, and as as insurance (should a competitor ever come up with a 'must have').  Of course, it is possible to bleed a bit of the technology into a DAW, but to put a full-fledged notation package would be a financially losing prospect. Sure, you'd garner some new converts, but you'd have to price the DAW so that it doesn't upset the 95% who aren't going to use such a feature and will not look kindly at a 30%+ increase in cost. You wind up losing revenue (on the notation) and providing support at a loss for it.
 
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind some notation view improvements - But I'd be even more interested in additional features in the PRV, like tools to work with chords and such.
 
 

SimpleM
All of my reticence to purchase X3 was based on X2 really feeling like the new content bells and whistles felt more like the old "LE" versions and was wondering if the X3 suite was the same.  A lot of the videos and marketing stuff that was hitting my fb timeline looked cool but alluded to "additional purchase" so it made me worry X3 may be worse.

BTW I bought X3 a while ago based on your and a couple of other responses

Since this thread got pretty much hijacked, I am very curious what your impression is of X3 now that you own it (as opposed to the OP here)?

Musescore should be brought up here as a fine, free notation software.

Anderton

vintagevibe
Craig, what's your take on why Avid, MOTU, Steinberg and Presonus have spent resources on notation?

Avid and MOTU: Both are heavy into Hollywood-type scoring, where notation remains prevalent. MOTU in particular has made that their niche on the Mac (I presume introducing a Windows version was an attempt to re-create that success on a different platform).
 
Steinberg: Division of Yamaha, which is heavy into education and school programs. Notation remains important for the education market.
 
PreSonus: This is speculation, but I presume they were unlikely to devote resources into adding notation to Studio One, so they bought Notion. This provides a workaround for now, and who knows, could possibly be integrated into SOP in the future. As to why, PreSonus has been putting a major push on education in the past couple months.

Has Sonar's market share always been so big that it doesn't need the scoring and education markets?

vintagevibeHas Sonar's market share always been so big that it doesn't need the scoring and education markets?

 
I think he stated (at the very least implied) that he thinks the potential share that could be had by Cakewalk in that area was not worth the resources to make it a priority.  I don't think he ever hinted their share was so big but that most people serious about notation have third party solutions.  The areas where notation has a larger priority is so dominated by Avid that it sounds likes their chances focusing in other areas.

vintagevibe

Has Sonar's market share always been so big that it doesn't need the scoring and education markets?

 
My personal opinion is that the amount of resources needed to acquire decent market share in those markets would be way out of proportion to the potential returns. Those markets are finite and quite possibly saturated; taking market share from existing, established companies is always a very difficult task.
 
As backed up with stats in a previous post, the market for notation software is tiny. Furthermore, it is already well-served. If the field were wide-open, it might be a different story.