CakeAlexS

SimpleM
Thank you for the useful response Keni.  I'm afraid several of the fanboys got their panties in a bunch over the rant/lament part of my OP and could not see that I was asking the questions that a few of you have taken the time to answer.

You wrote a 200 word rant and embedded in the middle was a 6 word question. The title did not help either, and thanks for calling us fanboys ;).
 
I apologise for any offence.

I'm sorry...

I failed to read the posts fully and properly and as it turns out, other than being told I was greedy by an earnest follower of brutal bass drops, "beepster" and his propensity for proflfic posting appears to actually be the "several" fanboys I thought were responding with fanboyish vitriol and defense of our DAW of choice.  

To all I may have mischacterized with the fan boy comment, I offer my deepest apologies.

To beepster,

Ouch, ya got me, you are a forum god...
 

Keni
Come on Gang...
 
Let's all chill..................
 
Now back to Sonar!
 
X3c is an excellent product. It is well worth it's cost for most of us (relativity is a bi*ch)...
 
If asked for a recommendation at this point, I would most definitely  advise on buying Sonar X3... Overall it can't be beat! Does it have limitations and issues? Everything does...
 
The best user support from both the company's representatives (and programmers etc.) and the excellent group on the Sonar Forums!
 
So many of us here do our best to help other users and sometimes our emotions get the better of us...
 
But in the end (I hope) we're all making music and using Sonar to our best ability! Only to be improved over time in both our understanding of Sonar and the improvement of Sonar...
 
...and of course, staying friendly with everyone on the Forums!
 
Keni
 

+1
 
I think the X3 upgrade alone was worth the $150.
The extras, including the VKFX ProChannel module (that also works as a stand alone plug, i.e. in the FX bin etc.) being given away this month to Studio or PE users, are a splendid icing on the cake - and I already owned AD & Melodyne.
 
...Steven

SimpleM
  With X2 I suddenly felt like I was paying a ton of money extra for "limited" software versions designed to part me with another $100+ in order to actually utilize the useful features. (Overloud stuff, prochannel add ons etc.) 

 
I don't understand. "A sudden feeling" ? "A ton of money" ?
A complaint about paying for versions designed to get your money...?...do you really believe that is what the designers are trying to do while avoiding incorporating useful features?
 

SimpleM
How is X3 in this regard?  It looks like it is getting worse.  It looks like AD is the real deal but how about the AAS stuff, Melodyne?  
(Melodyne seems to be the worst for the ole bait and switch from how it reads). 

 
You've been using Cakewalk products and now that they offer a milestone version you're questioning it based on looks and thinking that Melodyne is the "ole bait and switch"?
Well don't you read this forum? Just reading what Melodyne users in this forum have to say should give you a very clear picture since you'd rather go by looks rather than getting X3 and establishing you're on opinion. After all, what's 150 after all the thousands you've invested?
 

SimpleM
 It almost feels like Sonar has become a free to play video game that sets it up to get you money on the back end if you actually want to play the game. 

 
What? Are you comparing one the most intensive recording hosts there is to a video game?
 

SimpleM
I have spent many $1000s of dollars riding the Cakewalk upgrade train and now as I try to consider going to X3 this just feels like something is trying to violate me.

It seems to me there is a lot more going on in your head than just wondering about X3.
I feel that the only way you may get answers that make any sense to you is to take another chance
and play the game...after all, what's another 150 after all the thousands you've played with so far?
 
If my post is offensive to you, I do apologize but since I couldn't tell if you were serious or a troll I
thought I'd try to not only answer you but also point out why I would have trouble understanding your questions and intentions.
 
 
 
 

spacey
 
 
If my post is offensive to you, I do apologize but since I couldn't tell if you were serious or a troll I
thought I'd try to not only answer you but also point out why I would have trouble understanding your questions and intentions.
 
 
 
 

I highly doubt SimpleM is a troll. He has a forum membership since 2007. and he is probably like me. He visits on occasion. It is ok to question any bad feelings about upgrading. We can set the record straight if the op has wrong information. No doubt that X3 is a landmark upgrade. The op does not know that. We should put aside defensive feelings and we should not feel insulted by the ops point of view. I think once he upgrades he will see his fears are unfounded. He may just be expressing frustration over some of the problems with X2.
 
Maybe he does not read the forum much. personally I think we should cut everyone here some slack and if people have problems or opinions we can address them without being personally insulted.

Marcus Curtis

spacey
 
 
If my post is offensive to you, I do apologize but since I couldn't tell if you were serious or a troll I
thought I'd try to not only answer you but also point out why I would have trouble understanding your questions and intentions.
 
 
 
 

I highly doubt SimpleM is a troll. He has a forum membership since 2007. and he is probably like me. He visits on occasion. It is ok to question any bad feelings about upgrading. We can set the record straight if the op has wrong information. No doubt that X3 is a landmark upgrade. The op does not know that. We should put aside defensive feelings and we should not feel insulted by the ops point of view. I think once he upgrades he will see his fears are unfounded. He may just be expressing frustration over some of the problems with X2.
 
Maybe he does not read the forum much. personally I think we should cut everyone here some slack and if people have problems or opinions we can address them without being personally insulted.

Well you've made it appear that I was insulted, called him a troll and should be cutting people slack.
I know why I don't come here often. Think whatever floats your boat.
 
 
 
 

spacey

Marcus Curtis

spacey
 
 
If my post is offensive to you, I do apologize but since I couldn't tell if you were serious or a troll I
thought I'd try to not only answer you but also point out why I would have trouble understanding your questions and intentions.
 
 
 
 

I highly doubt SimpleM is a troll. He has a forum membership since 2007. and he is probably like me. He visits on occasion. It is ok to question any bad feelings about upgrading. We can set the record straight if the op has wrong information. No doubt that X3 is a landmark upgrade. The op does not know that. We should put aside defensive feelings and we should not feel insulted by the ops point of view. I think once he upgrades he will see his fears are unfounded. He may just be expressing frustration over some of the problems with X2.
 
Maybe he does not read the forum much. personally I think we should cut everyone here some slack and if people have problems or opinions we can address them without being personally insulted.

Well you've made it appear that I was insulted, called him a troll and should be cutting people slack.
I know why I don't come here often. Think whatever floats your boat.
 
 
 
 

I am sorry if I misunderstood your post. for the record I think the tension in this thread is rising a bit and people are becoming defensive. My comment about everyone feeling personally insulted was addressed to everybody including me. It is easy when tensions rise to get a bit defensive. I was not trying to single you out in that regard. it just seems to be the direction the thread was headed.

To the OP...
 
There is a future profit motive with Addictive Drums if you count the expansion packs.
 
For me that's a deal tho. I am looking forward to some of them. I'm glad they are a choice.

G
 

Lame.

gswitz
To the OP...
 
There is a future profit motive with Addictive Drums if you count the expansion packs.
 
For me that's a deal tho. I am looking forward to some of them. I'm glad they are a choice.

G
 

Yes, I am sure I was not plain with the OP but I understand expansion packs are a different animal and actually a good thing.  I understand AD enough to know it is the real deal and extremely useful right out of the box, as I thought I said in my OP as well. 

All of my reticence to purchase X3 was based on X2 really feeling like the new content bells and whistles felt more like the old "LE" versions and was wondering if the X3 suite was the same.  A lot of the videos and marketing stuff that was hitting my fb timeline looked cool but alluded to "additional purchase" so it made me worry X3 may be worse.

BTW I bought X3 a while ago based on your and a couple of other responses

Marcus Curtis

spacey

Marcus Curtis

spacey
 
 
If my post is offensive to you, I do apologize but since I couldn't tell if you were serious or a troll I
thought I'd try to not only answer you but also point out why I would have trouble understanding your questions and intentions.
 
 
 
 

I highly doubt SimpleM is a troll. He has a forum membership since 2007. and he is probably like me. He visits on occasion. It is ok to question any bad feelings about upgrading. We can set the record straight if the op has wrong information. No doubt that X3 is a landmark upgrade. The op does not know that. We should put aside defensive feelings and we should not feel insulted by the ops point of view. I think once he upgrades he will see his fears are unfounded. He may just be expressing frustration over some of the problems with X2.
 
Maybe he does not read the forum much. personally I think we should cut everyone here some slack and if people have problems or opinions we can address them without being personally insulted.

Well you've made it appear that I was insulted, called him a troll and should be cutting people slack.
I know why I don't come here often. Think whatever floats your boat.
 
 
 
 

I am sorry if I misunderstood your post. for the record I think the tension in this thread is rising a bit and people are becoming defensive. My comment about everyone feeling personally insulted was addressed to everybody including me. It is easy when tensions rise to get a bit defensive. I was not trying to single you out in that regard. it just seems to be the direction the thread was headed.

Misunderstanding is alright. I didn't read all the posts so sure didn't pickup the atmosphere.
 
Even though I think the value of X3 far exceeds the upgrade price I realize that the value can vary
for users. Very hard to know, especially when the dollar also has a very different value to folks...but it
it isn't hard to read and know what is being offered...like full versions of effects or not...especially before getting all up in the air about it. Cake does a very good job of writing up product details.
 
If one needs or wants add-ons that are offered with X3 then it's easy. Personally X3 without any of them would have been worth it to me....and was even though I didn't need them.