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  • [Solved] Sonar X3 is more CPU hungry than X2 on my system (p.2)
2013/11/05 19:31:01
brundlefly
Danirustic
I will test it with one of your Sonar demos...



The Cori Yarckin - Floating demo from X1 makes a good benchmark. On my less-than-state-of-the-art machine with ASIO buffer at 128 samples in X2, this project idles at 36% and plays back at 45% (1-minute average CPU for SONARPDR.EXE in Windows Resource Monitor). In X3 it does exactly the same.
2013/11/05 20:58:29
mettelus
I have an interesting one happen with the X3 Demo, and very consistent. If I mute the final mix (rather than solo it), it will crash exactly at the start of the 18th measure (only 14% CPU load). If I set my audio buffer to 2048 samples, I get the "Audio Engine Crashed" and can still use X3. 4096 samples and X3 locks with no sound. Anything under 2048 will lock X3, and usually with some nasty noise through the speakers. This is repeatable even saving as a bundle file. The drive the audio is on is a 7200rpm SATA3 drive.
 
My audio interface is degrading, so just ordered a new one and see if that helps, but I have found it very odd that the above is repeatable on my machine. The CPUs are running smooth with smooth sound and then I get the audio engine failure.
 
 
2013/11/06 01:09:05
cooljoebay
People can take this anyway they want. But with all due respect, I don't get why so many people are so easily duped into upgrading every year. The last good version of Sonar was 8.5. I tried using X2 for awhile. Of course, I had to use it on my desktop due to its extreme appetite for power. And that's of course due to the heavy interface and bloat. it is what it is. But I can accomplish anything with 8.5 that I do on X2. 
 
To me the X series is like moving rearranging your furniture in a way that you can sit in one place in the room and reach more things without getting off your rump. Call it a 'dumbing down" of users. It does not make you wiser or more creative. For years I have been putting out demos using inferior machines that are more marketable than a high profile digital studio. Yes. its all about creativity. And those who stay on the upgrade bus likely lack in the creativity department. Cakewalk isn't what it used to be since they imposed the X series on the public. Just another marketing scheme that hands out more and more royalties to third parties. That's pretty much a sign that they have already packed as much as anyone needs in the 8.5. You might think you need to use VST3. But nobody does unless you are so damn lazy or in a hurry. You can get ANY job done using the old versions. X1...X2...X3. All patches of the same beta software. How smart are you?? 
2013/11/06 01:51:21
cliffr
cooljoebay
People can take this anyway they want. But with all due respect, I don't get why so many people are so easily duped into upgrading every year. The last good version of Sonar was 8.5. I tried using X2 for awhile. Of course, I had to use it on my desktop due to its extreme appetite for power. And that's of course due to the heavy interface and bloat. it is what it is. But I can accomplish anything with 8.5 that I do on X2. 
 
To me the X series is like moving rearranging your furniture in a way that you can sit in one place in the room and reach more things without getting off your rump. Call it a 'dumbing down" of users. It does not make you wiser or more creative. For years I have been putting out demos using inferior machines that are more marketable than a high profile digital studio. Yes. its all about creativity. And those who stay on the upgrade bus likely lack in the creativity department. Cakewalk isn't what it used to be since they imposed the X series on the public. Just another marketing scheme that hands out more and more royalties to third parties. That's pretty much a sign that they have already packed as much as anyone needs in the 8.5. You might think you need to use VST3. But nobody does unless you are so damn lazy or in a hurry. You can get ANY job done using the old versions. X1...X2...X3. All patches of the same beta software. How smart are you?? 


So why crash someone elses thread with such a load of opinionated poppycock.
Did you just come here to insult the bakers and the rest of the community ?.
 
Are you more creative than all of us who use the X series ?
Seems YOU think so.
 
So, how smart are you ??
 
I could probably answer that for you, but I see there's no need since you did that yourself with your condescending post.
 
So if you have nothing worth contributing on the thread subject (which appears obvious), then have some manners and let the people involved go through their process.
 
If you want to moan or insult people, go start your own thread and title it appropriately.
 
Cheers - Cliff
 
2013/11/06 01:55:30
brundlefly
cooljoebay
People can take this anyway they want.



Okay, I'll take it as complete and utter hogwash, then.   
2013/11/06 02:07:44
mudgel
Nothing quite like washing hogs. So Mr cooljoe go wash some.
2013/11/06 02:47:18
brundlefly
My first choice was "poppycock", but it was already taken. I see bunkum, horsepuckey, and balderdash are still available, however.
2013/11/06 07:09:47
cliffr
Daniel,
 
I'm not seeing any difference (significant enough to notice) between x2 and x3 here.
 
I wonder if there's some difference in a configuration file setting between x2 & x3 on your system ?
Might pay to check the settings in AUD.ini ( Preferences -> Audio -> Configuration File ) and compare between x2 & x3 ?.
 
I remember having to set "ThreadSchedulingModel=2" ... but that was way back, and that setting has migrated with each upgrade.
 
Hope you can get it sorted mate.
 
Cheers - Cliff.
2013/11/06 09:14:06
Danirustic
Hi, thanks for sharing your comparisons!
 
That made me start testing a lot, and finally I found the culprit!
 
This is really weird, if I play the Project with just the console view on the screen, then the readings are the same on X2 and X3
 
BUT, if I am playing the Project with the trackview on the screen, then the cpu meters go high like a 30% more
 
I have 2 nvidia cards for a triple monitor setup (as you can see in my avatar photo)
 
I will try to update the nvidia drivers..actually one week ago I updated them...and later I reverted them because it installed some more software from nvidia, and I want to have my computer as clean as posible.
 
Question is, why in X2 is all ok, and now in X3 there is this behaviour...
 
Has something changed on the graphic interface?
 
Thanks to all
 
Daniel
 
 
 
 
 
2013/11/06 09:48:09
blacksheep
so what driver version and what cards are you testing on. since with 3 monitors the realestate is lovly.
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