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  • [Answered] Cloning a MIDI track should have an option to unlink it from the original synth (p.3)
2013/11/07 19:04:34
jb101
Or not.
2013/11/07 22:18:04
Grem
sharke, I checked when I got home. I can clone audio tracks and none of them display the behavior you say happens when you clone a soft synth. (I forgot to try that. But I will if you need tomorrow.) I had a guitar trak with info on it and fx in PC and stuff, and I cloned 4 instances. I hit the mute button on all of them one at a time and the only mute button that comes on was the one I would turn on. Same with Solo button.
 
Gotta get some sleep.
2013/11/07 22:44:08
sharke
Grem
sharke, I checked when I got home. I can clone audio tracks and none of them display the behavior you say happens when you clone a soft synth. (I forgot to try that. But I will if you need tomorrow.) I had a guitar trak with info on it and fx in PC and stuff, and I cloned 4 instances. I hit the mute button on all of them one at a time and the only mute button that comes on was the one I would turn on. Same with Solo button.
 
Gotta get some sleep.




To be clear, the grouping happens when you clone a MIDI track. When you insert a synth with a MIDI/audio output pair, the MIDI track's solo/mute buttons are grouped with the audio track. This makes sense, because you created them to work together as a pair. But when you clone the MIDI track, you also clone it's grouping with the audio track. They could of course create a "duplicate track" function, but that would make no sense unless it was possible to select "no output" for a MIDI track. If its output is to the original synth, then it might as well be grouped with the synth track. 
 
So I guess what I want ideally is the option to duplicate a MIDI track along with all of its settings, but for it to have no output. For now, jb101's solution to clone the track and then archive it works well. 
2013/11/08 01:35:09
Anderton
sharke
If it were possible to select "no output" on a MIDI track, the problem would be solved. Anyone else run up against this problem sometimes?



Another option is to insert the Velocity MIDI plug-in and set velocity to 1. This has no advantage over archiving, other than reminding you the Velocity plug-in is really pretty cool...
2013/11/08 01:40:49
John T
I've ran into this use case before. Indeed, it came up earlier today. I'd really like a sort of beefed up "clone track" option, that would let me clone a synth setup. So basically, clone the midi track and the audio track (which you can do already), but also automatically invoke a new instance of the synth in question and sort out the routing. Bonus points if it was clever enough to also automatically select the same settings on the new instance of the synth, though I can see how that's a bit trickier.
2013/11/08 03:07:44
jb101
Anderton


Another option is to insert the Velocity MIDI plug-in and set velocity to 1. This has no advantage over archiving, other than reminding you the Velocity plug-in is really pretty cool...


:-)
2013/11/08 09:23:59
thebiglongy
sharke
thebiglongy
Can't you just duplicate the track rather than Clone? To me "Clone" should be as it is described, all things linked, make changes to one, they are visible in the other.




How does one go about "duplicating" a track? All I can see is the option to clone it. And I realize that cloning a track should keep it linked to the original synth by default, but given that options are given in the cloning dialog as to what does and doesn't get cloned, surely the link should be an option too. The track would still be output to the synth, but the group behavior would be lost so that you could keep it muted without having to worry about it unmuting with the original synth track. 



You don't see it as it isn't there >.<
I only have x1 and x2 installed on my laptop at the moment, I could have sworn there was a duplicate function which was unlinked and totally independent to the one you were copying. 

I could have imagined it haha, was sure it was there in previous versions to the X series.

Sorry to get your hopes up fella.
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