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  • SOLVED: Pitch changes - Studio One can do it so why can't Sonar?
2013/11/07 05:03:48
Skyline_UK
I have a song tracked up and realise to do the vocal I need to raise the pitch of the (non percussion) tracks by a tone.  If I do this with each clip (each track has one continuous clip) in the Inspector timings go to pot and some of the tracks gargle artifacts.
I moved the WAVs to Studio One, put '2' in the transpose field of each track - 100% perfect, no artifacts, job done in under a minute.  I've experienced this before.  So, am I doing something wrong or is this just how it is?

2013/11/07 08:12:02
icontakt
 As we all know, every daw has strengths and weaknesses. And this, I think, is one of the weaknesses of Sonar.
2013/11/07 08:55:11
Beepster
I haven't done this myself but there are multiple ways. As you mentioned the Inspector is one. If you are doing it that way and getting artifacts try the different render algorithms and bounce/rendering the tracks. Different algos work better for different types of tracks.
 
There is also the Process menu which I believe is supposed to have superior pitch shifting quality. In In the Advanced Workshop vids Craig uses it to pitch shift upwards to octaves and it's flawless. One tone shouldn't be a problem.
 
The biggest drawback compared to other DAWs I guess is that to get the higher quality renders you have to do them offline. You can also change the online render settings which might help as well but those are only really meant to audition changes before rendering from what I understand.
 
But... I'm no expert on this stuff. I've just read about it and watched lots of vids on the subject.
2013/11/07 09:09:06
bladetragic
Yeah there's the Transpose Audio option in the Process menu which seems to work pretty well w/ the Radius algorithms but it will probably take quite a bit of time to process an entire song. 
 
Not to mention it's more of a destructive process.  You'd probably want to create a new session or copy of the tracks at the original pitch just in case you change your mind or want to go back.
 
As said above, this is one of the areas where Sonar is lacking behind some of the other DAWs.
2013/11/07 10:01:43
Skyline_UK
Thanks.  I tried Process/Transpose and that worked fine.
I thought I had to use the pitch adjustment box in the Inspector's Groove Clip section, but that simply doesn't work.
2013/11/07 10:07:00
Beepster
Skyline_UK
Thanks.  I tried Process/Transpose and that worked fine.
I thought I had to use the pitch adjustment box in the Inspector's Groove Clip section, but that simply doesn't work.




Cool, but as I said bouncing the track with the correct offline settings should get you better results VIA the Inspector. Probably more work than the Process function anyway though. Glad you got it working.
2013/11/07 10:21:55
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
melodyne is another, potentially more pleasing option - yet slightly more "work": double click clip, select all, drag up one note ... but has to be done per clip/track (can't think of a batch mode)...
 
BTW, melodyne is non-destructive
2013/11/07 10:29:34
Beepster
FreeFlyBertl
melodyne is another, potentially more pleasing option - yet slightly more "work": double click clip, select all, drag up one note ... but has to be done per clip/track (can't think of a batch mode)...
 
BTW, melodyne is non-destructive




I was gonna mention Melodyne but wasn't sure how the entirety of an audio signal would work due to the monophonic nature of Melodyne Essential. Will it actually adjust everything upward as opposed to the just the strongest tones?
2013/11/07 15:05:36
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
Beepster
FreeFlyBertl
melodyne is another, potentially more pleasing option - yet slightly more "work": double click clip, select all, drag up one note ... but has to be done per clip/track (can't think of a batch mode)...
 
BTW, melodyne is non-destructive




I was gonna mention Melodyne but wasn't sure how the entirety of an audio signal would work due to the monophonic nature of Melodyne Essential. Will it actually adjust everything upward as opposed to the just the strongest tones?




since i have never tried it on a stem or mix i just did - and it works quite well actually.
but i have to say that i own melodyne editor since the pre-x3 days ... and melodyne editor does the full monty i.e. the chord thingy - whatever you call it (multi-timbral?) - anyway, it finds each note of a chord and lets you drag it around individually
but i just selected all and draged it up a note and there we were ...
2013/11/07 15:28:40
Beepster
FreeFlyBertl
Beepster
FreeFlyBertl
melodyne is another, potentially more pleasing option - yet slightly more "work": double click clip, select all, drag up one note ... but has to be done per clip/track (can't think of a batch mode)...
 
BTW, melodyne is non-destructive




I was gonna mention Melodyne but wasn't sure how the entirety of an audio signal would work due to the monophonic nature of Melodyne Essential. Will it actually adjust everything upward as opposed to the just the strongest tones?




since i have never tried it on a stem or mix i just did - and it works quite well actually.
but i have to say that i own melodyne editor since the pre-x3 days ... and melodyne editor does the full monty i.e. the chord thingy - whatever you call it (multi-timbral?) - anyway, it finds each note of a chord and lets you drag it around individually
but i just selected all and draged it up a note and there we were ...




That's good to know and probably a much better/simpler solution than the Process or Inspector options. Seems like a very good addition to the Sonar bundle.
 
Also I think the term they use is Polyphonic for the multi tonal stuff. On the Celemony site they say Essential is Monophonic and Editor is Polyphonic. Cool stuff.
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