• SONAR
  • [Resolved] ONE MORE Feature Better Left Alone
2013/11/03 11:43:10
King Conga
So, I want to Transpose the MIDI Bass part with just 1 click...LIKE I USED TO BE ABLE TO DO by clicking on the #/b Chromatic value in the track view.  But alas! it's nowhere to be found.  I looked in the 2,000 pg User Manual, and found it nowhere, except another convoluted process that I DID NOT need.  So, I defer to the mercy of geeks MUCH smarter than I that haven't been using this product for 25 years.
 
Here's a REVOLUTIONARY concept for Cakewalk Marketing...Whenever you're going to completely turn a product on it's ear, at least create a short manual for your VERY LOYAL 25 yr customers on where the new stuff is in relationship to the old stuff...THAT DID NOT NEED TO BE CHANGED! IT WORKED FINE!
 
Sorry for the CAPS yelling, but if you're going to unnecessarily make my life a living hell, then I'll do it right back.  I've got a living to make, and I don't have the time, or $$$ to have a Sonar support person at my side 24/7.
2013/11/03 11:46:21
Beepster
Press I > Adjust Pitch +/- on the right hand strip.
 
How is that hard? I don't think I've even seen the method you are referring to. Sounds more complicated than what I just described.
 
 
2013/11/03 11:49:28
King Conga
MY APOLOGIES, and beg pardon 1,000X's.  I just found it; however, it's not avail in the horizontal track view, and it's under the Arpeggiator features, which makes it easy to miss.
2013/11/03 11:51:36
joden
Its also available in the Inspector view! One click up or down...
2013/11/03 11:52:00
brundlefly
It's not quite as convenient now:
 
- I to open the Track Inspector
- Select Key+ near the bottom of the Inspector on the right.
- Use +/- keys, drag with the mouse or Shift+Scroll wheel to change by half-steps.
2013/11/03 11:54:25
Beepster
King Conga
MY APOLOGIES, and beg pardon 1,000X's.  I just found it; however, it's not avail in the horizontal track view, and it's under the Arpeggiator features, which makes it easy to miss.





Okay, cool, man. But if you are having a hard time just ask us. Someone is bound to have a solution. No need to stress out. It's bad for the heart. Cheers.
2013/11/03 12:25:06
John
I'm not crazy about the way one does it with the mouse considering it use to be easier before. But because of how it is adjusted. Not its location. I do however like and want the pitch control where it is now. As to the Inspector being closed I rarely have it closed. What I didn't like before was the placement on the track header making it dependent on the size of the header in order to access it at all. When you consider all the widgets that were on it for a MIDI track even though you could place it above or below others it was still an annoyance for me. 
 
It rightfully belongs in the track inspector. I know many don't see it that way but I do and did ask for it to be a part of the inspector years ago.
2013/11/03 12:52:35
Living Room Rocker
I completely relate and sympathize with you, King Conga.  It is so frustrating when you use your usual, well learned workflow only to find it no longer works.  Then search the convoluted help with a key word which does not match until you poke around enough only to find you now have to change your efficient and effective methods.  Seems each new X version holds a new set (or subset) of methods and/or key controls/commands.  Having to relearn your DAW does make for an uneasy transition for what should be a better more effective platform.  Add new bugs to that and seems like having the next thing is not so much better.  It's a setback in the effort of efficiency and capability.  Would be nice if the Bakers did include some conversion chart or the like (maybe an easy cheat sheet) to assist us with the change. 
 
I know the Bakers work hard to put out a great product within a fixed time line.  With such major change or implementation such as ARA and VST3, I would prefer that the Bakers take more time to iron things out and check new methods against the already established commands prior to a release or fix.  As now, the Bakers are pushing out fixes this time around which may be more effective if more time where given to test and perfect prior to release.  Changes should be given more consideration at implementation rather than working out the bugs after the fact.  This would help user with the transition.  It can get confusing between what is a bug and what is just a new method.  Particularly when a change to a method is not made known to the user.  These changes are not made know in the manual or help as "new vs old" comparison.  And the method sometimes takes on a new name because of a new feature or the like.  I guess the 'bottom line' is the ultimate decider in most cases.  Hard to hold the Bakers at fault.  I am sure they would like to get it right first as we would.  Making it (the transition) easier for us would be a big plus, nonetheless.
 
Kind regards,
 
Living Room Rocker
2013/11/03 12:56:50
Beepster
Ah, I see where the problem is. It sounds like it used to be on the Track Control pane thingie so now pressing I is the extra step. Yeah, they probably could have left that in as a "Custom" option (maybe they have... I didn't check) but it's still only a simple hotkey away.
 
Also IIRC, John the +/- keys on your QWERTY will adjust a semitone up or down if you first click on the Pitch area within the Inspector strip area so it's the active control.
2013/11/03 13:16:33
sharke
This is why I have the track inspector docked to the left or right at all times. It's just so handy. Having said that I have 2 screens so space isn't that much of an issue (although I would love a 3rd screen ). Hitting "I" to bring it up isn't that much of a big deal once it's burned into your muscle memory. Having said that, I used to find that I would have to press "I" twice to bring it up...which was annoying. Never worked that one out. 
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